Creation Vs Evolution

ah!
Chance!!!




Ok, my ideas


first off
evolution=change
not monkey=human
thats cross breading
like the liger or unicorn
it just doesn't exist
if you find one, put it in a museum or something


ok, there is no possible reaason why God couldn't have made the universe, earth, and everything else in billions of years.
in all the stories we hear from the bible none of them have happened in a second, or out of nowhere without warning or in a way humans couldn't understand. Like say for instance, when he made the waters of the reed sea part. he didn't push them away with his hands with no explanation, he used a volcano in the Roman part of the Mediterranean sea, which caused a tsunami that took away all the water.
Science and history prove this happened.

so i think he created the universe at a long pace taking over billions of years. Science tells us how God did it, with asteroids and stuff.

But i don't think Darwin's theory of evolution happened, that's cross breading >_^

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Endless Nothing wrote:Why can't both be true?
Why can't there be a creator and an evolutionary process?

exactly!
Theistic Evolution!

my sister says they are the only smart ones. lol

see? End-kun gets it. xD

and now, ama, you're starting to think less like a fundamentalist, and more like a Theistic evolutionist. :D yay!

i don't go with titles that well

amaterasu wrote:ah!
Chance!!!




Ok, my ideas


first off
evolution=change
not monkey=human
thats cross breading
like the liger or unicorn
it just doesn't exist
if you find one, put it in a museum or something


ok, there is no possible reaason why God couldn't have made the universe, earth, and everything else in billions of years.
in all the stories we hear from the bible none of them have happened in a second, or out of nowhere without warning or in a way humans couldn't understand. Like say for instance, when he made the waters of the reed sea part. he didn't push them away with his hands with no explanation, he used a volcano in the Roman part of the Mediterranean sea, which caused a tsunami that took away all the water.
Science and history prove this happened.

so i think he created the universe at a long pace taking over billions of years. Science tells us how God did it, with asteroids and stuff.

But i don't think Darwin's theory of evolution happened, that's cross breading >_^

Although i will agree with the fact that Humans are of there own kind and were not derived from another species because the creator did create the human race seperately and probably several thousand years after the creation of other species.

Darwins theory had nothing to do with cross breading.
Darwins theory was the theory of survival of the fitest.
An animal will adapt and change as necessary to survive in its habitat.
Lets take, for example, the giraffe. For all we know the giraffe may not have always had a long neck to begin with, but as the need to reach higher to obtain food arose the giraffe with the longer neck stayed fed, the ones with shorter necks starved and died out. The longer necked giraffes then mate and have more giraffes with longer necks and so it goes until the species came to how they appear now.

amaterasu wrote:i don't go with titles that well

sure you do
you just choose not to

Woah...never expected ama to be the one to revive this o.o

God created the world in six twenty-four hour periods. That's all I'm going to say.

Why do you say that?

Endless Nothing wrote:

amaterasu wrote:ah!
Chance!!!




Ok, my ideas


first off
evolution=change
not monkey=human
thats cross breading
like the liger or unicorn
it just doesn't exist
if you find one, put it in a museum or something


ok, there is no possible reaason why God couldn't have made the universe, earth, and everything else in billions of years.
in all the stories we hear from the bible none of them have happened in a second, or out of nowhere without warning or in a way humans couldn't understand. Like say for instance, when he made the waters of the reed sea part. he didn't push them away with his hands with no explanation, he used a volcano in the Roman part of the Mediterranean sea, which caused a tsunami that took away all the water.
Science and history prove this happened.

so i think he created the universe at a long pace taking over billions of years. Science tells us how God did it, with asteroids and stuff.

But i don't think Darwin's theory of evolution happened, that's cross breading >_^

Although i will agree with the fact that Humans are of there own kind and were not derived from another species because the creator did create the human race seperately and probably several thousand years after the creation of other species.

Darwins theory had nothing to do with cross breading.
Darwins theory was the theory of survival of the fitest.
An animal will adapt and change as necessary to survive in its habitat.
Lets take, for example, the giraffe. For all we know the giraffe may not have always had a long neck to begin with, but as the need to reach higher to obtain food arose the giraffe with the longer neck stayed fed, the ones with shorter necks starved and died out. The longer necked giraffes then mate and have more giraffes with longer necks and so it goes until the species came to how they appear now.

your entitled to your own opinion, but i have problems with it, in which i can't believe in it.
in order for it to work, all the giraffes in one area need to change to fit the same need and have to live in the environment.
so say 20 giraffes live in the Savannah and they don't have long necks yet, but there is a bunch of trees. You could say ok they made gense and passed them down the line and blah blah blah, but if there is abundance of grass and vegetation on the ground you have a problem. Why would the giraffes grow long necks when they have abundance of food on the ground?
But if they were created with long necks, it wouldn't be a problem

Endless Nothing wrote:Why do you say that?

Well, if God is all powerful, there's no reason why he can't create the world in just six days. Furthermore, God does not need to summon a big bang or whatever to make it happen- he needs only to will it.

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

amaterasu wrote:i don't go with titles that well

sure you do
you just choose not to

no, i really just believe in the bible and my own instincts

Aichu wrote:Woah...never expected ama to be the one to revive this o.o

God created the world in six twenty-four hour periods. That's all I'm going to say.

rrreeaalllly?
I don't think so, aichu. you up for a little debate with ol' saba?

amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

amaterasu wrote:i don't go with titles that well

sure you do
you just choose not to

no, i really just believe in the bible and my own instincts

hey, if that's your choice, then that's your choice.

Aichu wrote:Woah...never expected ama to be the one to revive this o.o

God created the world in six twenty-four hour periods. That's all I'm going to say.

but

there is a problem with that


God doesn't live in time

also history suggests that the earth was mae over 6 billion years or what not

6 days to him could be 6 billion years to us.

we have no way of telling how long his "day" is

amaterasu wrote:

Endless Nothing wrote:

amaterasu wrote:ah!
Chance!!!




Ok, my ideas


first off
evolution=change
not monkey=human
thats cross breading
like the liger or unicorn
it just doesn't exist
if you find one, put it in a museum or something


ok, there is no possible reaason why God couldn't have made the universe, earth, and everything else in billions of years.
in all the stories we hear from the bible none of them have happened in a second, or out of nowhere without warning or in a way humans couldn't understand. Like say for instance, when he made the waters of the reed sea part. he didn't push them away with his hands with no explanation, he used a volcano in the Roman part of the Mediterranean sea, which caused a tsunami that took away all the water.
Science and history prove this happened.

so i think he created the universe at a long pace taking over billions of years. Science tells us how God did it, with asteroids and stuff.

But i don't think Darwin's theory of evolution happened, that's cross breading >_^

Although i will agree with the fact that Humans are of there own kind and were not derived from another species because the creator did create the human race seperately and probably several thousand years after the creation of other species.

Darwins theory had nothing to do with cross breading.
Darwins theory was the theory of survival of the fitest.
An animal will adapt and change as necessary to survive in its habitat.
Lets take, for example, the giraffe. For all we know the giraffe may not have always had a long neck to begin with, but as the need to reach higher to obtain food arose the giraffe with the longer neck stayed fed, the ones with shorter necks starved and died out. The longer necked giraffes then mate and have more giraffes with longer necks and so it goes until the species came to how they appear now.

your entitled to your own opinion, but i have problems with it, in which i can't believe in it.
in order for it to work, all the giraffes in one area need to change to fit the same need and have to live in the environment.
so say 20 giraffes live in the Savannah and they don't have long necks yet, but there is a bunch of trees. You could say ok they made gense and passed them down the line and blah blah blah, but if there is abundance of grass and vegetation on the ground you have a problem. Why would the giraffes grow long necks when they have abundance of food on the ground?
But if they were created with long necks, it wouldn't be a problem

Because these giraffe were created with long legs and there short necks make it hard for them to reach the grass without falling. So the giraffe with the short legs that can reach the grass easily then adapts and 'evolves' into something that now goes by a different name. For all we know Impala, Zebra and the Giraffe all evolved from the same creature.

amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:Woah...never expected ama to be the one to revive this o.o

God created the world in six twenty-four hour periods. That's all I'm going to say.

but

there is a problem with that


God doesn't live in time

also history suggests that the earth was mae over 6 billion years or what not

6 days to him could be 6 billion years to us.

we have no way of telling how long his "day" is

I must agree with Ama on this point. The majority of the bible's meaning is symbolic and metaphorical anyway, Jesus himself is always comparing himself to a shepherd and his believers his flock. So why cant the 6 days of creation be symbolic or metaphorical as well? A Milenia could be a day to someone for which time does not matter.

Endless Nothing wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

Endless Nothing wrote:

amaterasu wrote:ah!
Chance!!!




Ok, my ideas


first off
evolution=change
not monkey=human
thats cross breading
like the liger or unicorn
it just doesn't exist
if you find one, put it in a museum or something


ok, there is no possible reaason why God couldn't have made the universe, earth, and everything else in billions of years.
in all the stories we hear from the bible none of them have happened in a second, or out of nowhere without warning or in a way humans couldn't understand. Like say for instance, when he made the waters of the reed sea part. he didn't push them away with his hands with no explanation, he used a volcano in the Roman part of the Mediterranean sea, which caused a tsunami that took away all the water.
Science and history prove this happened.

so i think he created the universe at a long pace taking over billions of years. Science tells us how God did it, with asteroids and stuff.

But i don't think Darwin's theory of evolution happened, that's cross breading >_^

Although i will agree with the fact that Humans are of there own kind and were not derived from another species because the creator did create the human race seperately and probably several thousand years after the creation of other species.

Darwins theory had nothing to do with cross breading.
Darwins theory was the theory of survival of the fitest.
An animal will adapt and change as necessary to survive in its habitat.
Lets take, for example, the giraffe. For all we know the giraffe may not have always had a long neck to begin with, but as the need to reach higher to obtain food arose the giraffe with the longer neck stayed fed, the ones with shorter necks starved and died out. The longer necked giraffes then mate and have more giraffes with longer necks and so it goes until the species came to how they appear now.

your entitled to your own opinion, but i have problems with it, in which i can't believe in it.
in order for it to work, all the giraffes in one area need to change to fit the same need and have to live in the environment.
so say 20 giraffes live in the Savannah and they don't have long necks yet, but there is a bunch of trees. You could say ok they made gense and passed them down the line and blah blah blah, but if there is abundance of grass and vegetation on the ground you have a problem. Why would the giraffes grow long necks when they have abundance of food on the ground?
But if they were created with long necks, it wouldn't be a problem

Because these giraffe were created with long legs and there short necks make it hard for them to reach the grass without falling. So the giraffe with the short legs that can reach the grass easily then adapts and 'evolves' into something that now goes by a different name. For all we know Impala, Zebra and the Giraffe all evolved from the same creature.

zebra is more of a horse


i think house cats are related to ferrets....

I guess it makes sense, but I won't believe it still. I find it has something wrong with it, but i can't pick it out.

maybe it is that then all animals evolved from a former species, and it goes all the way back to one species. The root of all of the rest. That doesn't seems likely to me

amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:Woah...never expected ama to be the one to revive this o.o

God created the world in six twenty-four hour periods. That's all I'm going to say.

but

there is a problem with that


God doesn't live in time

also history suggests that the earth was mae over 6 billion years or what not

6 days to him could be 6 billion years to us.

we have no way of telling how long his "day" is

Sure there is. You only need to look at it as a constant mesurement. It says six days for creation, and days is later on used in the bible to gauge a span of time close to our 24 hr definition (otherwise noah would have been out at sea for a really long time, lol).

Now, if you were to bring up 'but it never says god creates time in the bible', then we have a BIG mess on our hands, as that would mean we still have no such thing as time

And there is evidence of a young world, it all depends on who you ask. Also, if we believe events in the bible are historic, and since the bible is the word of God, it cannot contradict itself (save for translation errors and transmission errors that pop up as rarely as they do, but the message itself cannot be contradicted) by saying 'yeah, this event is true but this one is totaly balogne'.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

don't they look alike?

more thena house cat to this i think

Spoiler:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Aichu wrote:Woah...never expected ama to be the one to revive this o.o

God created the world in six twenty-four hour periods. That's all I'm going to say.

rrreeaalllly?
I don't think so, aichu. you up for a little debate with ol' saba?

Sure :3

i pick creation

amaterasu wrote: zebra is more of a horse


i think house cats are related to ferrets....

I guess it makes sense, but I won't believe it still. I find it has something wrong with it, but i can't pick it out.

maybe it is that then all animals evolved from a former species, and it goes all the way back to one species. The root of all of the rest. That doesn't seems likely to me

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion as well im not trying to change it.
If you must believe that there was a root species from which all the others were derived then why cant this root species be god itself?

Of course there is no means really to believe that ther has to be a root species. I feel that the fact that there are herbivore, carnivore and omnivore is enough to claim that there may have been several 'root' species from which the majority of today's species were derived.
All of these species, root or otherwise, of course were still derived based on a design which had to have been created by god.

Aichu wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:Woah...never expected ama to be the one to revive this o.o

God created the world in six twenty-four hour periods. That's all I'm going to say.

but

there is a problem with that


God doesn't live in time

also history suggests that the earth was mae over 6 billion years or what not

6 days to him could be 6 billion years to us.

we have no way of telling how long his "day" is

Sure there is. You only need to look at it as a constant mesurement. It says six days for creation, and days is later on used in the bible to gauge a span of time close to our 24 hr definition (otherwise noah would have been out at sea for a really long time, lol).

Now, if you were to bring up 'but it never says god creates time in the bible', then we have a BIG mess on our hands, as that would mean we still have no such thing as time

And there is evidence of a young world, it all depends on who you ask. Also, if we believe events in the bible are historic, and since the bible is the word of God, it cannot contradict itself (save for translation errors and transmission errors that pop up as rarely as they do, but the message itself cannot be contradicted) by saying 'yeah, this event is true but this one is totaly balogne'.

but he said to noah i'll flood the earth for 40 days and nights

in the biginning he was only to himself, so it doesn't have to be the same time measurements and thus your theory is flawed
while God does not contradict history, why are there fossils of animals dating back to tens of thousands of years?

Our history started roughly 3500 years before Christ was born

The bible events start somewhere at 4000 or 8000 years (can't remember which)
before christ

Endless Nothing wrote:

amaterasu wrote: zebra is more of a horse


i think house cats are related to ferrets....

I guess it makes sense, but I won't believe it still. I find it has something wrong with it, but i can't pick it out.

maybe it is that then all animals evolved from a former species, and it goes all the way back to one species. The root of all of the rest. That doesn't seems likely to me

Obviously you are etitled to your opinion as well im not trying to change it.
If you must believe that there was a root species from which all the others were derived then why cant this root species be god itself?

Of course there is no means really to believe that ther has to be a root species. I feel that the fact that there are herbivore, carnivore and omnivore is enough to claim that there may have been several 'root' species from which the majority of today's species were derived.
All of these species, root or otherwise, of course were still derived based on a design which had to have been created by god.

well God created all animals from his own thoughts
so they do have a connection there

but i don't see how something like this

Spoiler:

a fish which wasn't discovered until sometime in the 1900's could have passed on its genes to adapt to its surrounding

if it was a normal fish, it would have just swam to the surface
and yet it lives in the darkest part of the ocean with no light, it doesn't appear to have adapted, and if Darwin's theory was correct, it would have to apply to all animals.

Aichu wrote: And there is evidence of a young world, it all depends on who you ask. Also, if we believe events in the bible are historic, and since the bible is the word of God, it cannot contradict itself (save for translation errors and transmission errors that pop up as rarely as they do, but the message itself cannot be contradicted) by saying 'yeah, this event is true but this one is totaly balogne'.

Hate to burst your bubble. God created time itself yes, but the means by which we measure it was created by man and thus it is possible that God's day and our day differ.