Creation Vs Evolution

Sado and I have come to an agreement it seems. Little kids are also weird, they don't think clearly, but instead have their understandings confused.

Though I do miss some of the games they played. I was quite good at hide and go seek.

Amaterasu wrote:kaga
then how do you think the universe was created?

I don't have an oppinion, actually. I don't belive in either Big Band or the bible, cause I don't think any of them are belivable. Basically, both of them begins with something being created out of nothing. The bible says god created the world out of the word, but it never tell us where god came from. If there was something before god, he isn't almighty anymore, and that would make the whole religion fake. If god would be almighty, he would be the first, in other words created out of nothing. As I said, something can't be created out of nothing. The same goes for The Big Bang theory, something as big as a universe don't just pop up out of nothing.

So to me both of the 'major' theories are incomplete and not something I want to belive in.

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:kaga
then how do you think the universe was created?

I don't have an oppinion, actually. I don't belive in either Big Band or the bible, cause I don't think any of them are belivable. Basically, both of them begins with something being created out of nothing. The bible says god created the world out of the word, but it never tell us where god came from. If there was something before god, he isn't almighty anymore, and that would make the whole religion fake. If god would be almighty, he would be the first, in other words created out of nothing. As I said, something can't be created out of nothing. The same goes for The Big Bang theory, something as big as a universe don't just pop up out of nothing.

So to me both of the 'major' theories are incomplete and not something I want to belive in.

God wasn't created. When he made the world, time also came into existance. Before then, there wasn't time, and thus no begining.

Yeah, it makes my head spin too just thinking about it, lol.

Aichu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:kaga
then how do you think the universe was created?

I don't have an oppinion, actually. I don't belive in either Big Band or the bible, cause I don't think any of them are belivable. Basically, both of them begins with something being created out of nothing. The bible says god created the world out of the word, but it never tell us where god came from. If there was something before god, he isn't almighty anymore, and that would make the whole religion fake. If god would be almighty, he would be the first, in other words created out of nothing. As I said, something can't be created out of nothing. The same goes for The Big Bang theory, something as big as a universe don't just pop up out of nothing.

So to me both of the 'major' theories are incomplete and not something I want to belive in.

God wasn't created. When he made the world, time also came into existance. Before then, there wasn't time, and thus no begining.

Yeah, it makes my head spin too just thinking about it, lol.

Yep. It's more, that Nothing doesn't even exist anyway.

Oh Q, then before there was the earth and the skies there was nothing right? Nope. Cause God was always there.

But what if I empty my water bottle nothing in it! God is still there.

But...Um...

You can't say there was something from nothing, because with God there is no such thing as nothing.

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:kaga
then how do you think the universe was created?

I don't have an oppinion, actually. I don't belive in either Big Band or the bible, cause I don't think any of them are belivable. Basically, both of them begins with something being created out of nothing. The bible says god created the world out of the word, but it never tell us where god came from. If there was something before god, he isn't almighty anymore, and that would make the whole religion fake. If god would be almighty, he would be the first, in other words created out of nothing. As I said, something can't be created out of nothing. The same goes for The Big Bang theory, something as big as a universe don't just pop up out of nothing.

So to me both of the 'major' theories are incomplete and not something I want to belive in.

God (my god more specificly) in infinite
meaning he has no beginning nor end
he was there before everything and he created time, thats why he is almighty
what you said about what the bible is explained in it
it says God has no beginnning or end
he is almighty creator of teh universe adn everything good

All of those things the three of you are saying are correct... IF you belive in what the bible says, that is. I've decided not to belive in god, Jesus or the bible, so to me all of those things are impossible. Everything has to be created out os something. A preson or god can't just exist, he has to be created and can't be almighty.

To be honest, it's the fact that god is seen upon as almighty that made me choose not to belive.

Kagamiko wrote:All of those things the three of you are saying are correct... IF you belive in what the bible says, that is. I've decided not to belive in god, Jesus or the bible, so to me all of those things are impossible. Everything has to be created out os something. A preson or god can't just exist, he has to be created and can't be almighty.

To be honest, it's the fact that god is seen upon as almighty that made me choose not to belive.

if everything is created then there must b e one to create it
one that cannot be created
one that is almighty
for is he was created he wouldn't be almighty
and kagamiko
i trust Jesus because i have seen him
i have felt him
i have felts his presences beside me
i ahve seen his works
i have seen the difference he has made in peoples lives (mines included)
life is not about religion but it is about having a relationship with Jesus Christ
thats what i have learned over the years
I have seen the truths of the world, of the universe through my god and thats why i proclaim the bible to be true
because I have witnessed it

Maybe you have, because you belive in it and that makes you feel it. I don't WANT to belive. I would loose my will to live if I was living by the belif that there is one almighty god that can turn the world around if he wanted to. I am a member of the swedish church since my birth, and I have been given the chance to chose my own faith, and I decided not to belive because that would make me feel chained. To me living my life succumbing to a religion isn't freedom, it's a prison. My soul and mind would be held down by the higher power in that religion, and I would loose my will to live. I would feel like as if I was living to the joy of that other person that I can't be 100% sure exists, instead of living for my friends and the happyness for the people around me.

Don't get me wrong now, I understand what god and Jesus are to some people, I've just decided to put the faith and trust some have in them in the people around me insted. It's more natural for me to live that way.

Kagamiko wrote:Maybe you have, because you belive in it and that makes you feel it. I don't WANT to belive. I would loose my will to live if I was living by the belif that there is one almighty god that can turn the world around if he wanted to. I am a member of the swedish church since my birth, and I have been given the chance to chose my own faith, and I decided not to belive because that would make me feel chained. To me living my life succumbing to a religion isn't freedom, it's a prison. My soul and mind would be held down by the higher power in that religion, and I would loose my will to live. I would feel like as if I was living to the joy of that other person that I can't be 100% sure exists, instead of living for my friends and the happyness for the people around me.

Don't get me wrong now, I understand what god and Jesus are to some people, I've just decided to put the faith and trust some have in them in the people around me insted. It's more natural for me to live that way.

so basically you don'
t want to follows rules and live your life your own way?
and i agree with teh religion thing
i don't like religion either
because life isnt' about religion
life is about a relationship
I can tell you right now that i'm living more then 1,000,000 times more joyfully then i was before i found out
its not something i just believe but i trust with all my heart
i realise i'm wrong and i'm not close to perfect
but through Jesus i am made whole and made complete. Also i have more joy then anyone without this
i cannot deny that
i have a hope for living
i have a hope for everyone that everything wil turn out fine
i have a hope for love and i let it guide me (i don't always follow perfectly)
i can tell you right now
if you want to be happy then you can't stay as you are


sometimes the hardest thing to believe is the truth
and the truth is that my god is love (for more read 1 Corinthians 13:4-7)

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:Maybe you have, because you belive in it and that makes you feel it. I don't WANT to belive. I would loose my will to live if I was living by the belif that there is one almighty god that can turn the world around if he wanted to. I am a member of the swedish church since my birth, and I have been given the chance to chose my own faith, and I decided not to belive because that would make me feel chained. To me living my life succumbing to a religion isn't freedom, it's a prison. My soul and mind would be held down by the higher power in that religion, and I would loose my will to live. I would feel like as if I was living to the joy of that other person that I can't be 100% sure exists, instead of living for my friends and the happyness for the people around me.

Don't get me wrong now, I understand what god and Jesus are to some people, I've just decided to put the faith and trust some have in them in the people around me insted. It's more natural for me to live that way.

so basically you don'
t want to follows rules and live your life your own way?
and i agree with teh religion thing
i don't like religion either
because life isnt' about religion
life is about a relationship
I can tell you right now that i'm living more then 1,000,000 times more joyfully then i was before i found out
its not something i just believe but i trust with all my heart
i realise i'm wrong and i'm not close to perfect
but through Jesus i am made whole and made complete. Also i have more joy then anyone without this
i cannot deny that
i have a hope for living
i have a hope for everyone that everything wil turn out fine
i have a hope for love and i let it guide me (i don't always follow perfectly)
i can tell you right now
if you want to be happy then you can't stay as you are


sometimes the hardest thing to believe is the truth
and the truth is that my god is love (for more read 1 Corinthians 13:4-7)

I've read parts of the bible, and it says a lot of beautiful things, as well as many disturbing ones.

But I'm happy that beliving in god and Jesus makes you happy, I just don't want to live that way.

And about the religion thing: Maybe we have a different view of religion, but what you are telling me about your relationship with Jesus sounds an awfully lot like religion to me. Maybe it's because we live in different countrys, but a religious person to me, is a person who belives Jesus was gods son. (christianity, if I were to list all religions this would take forever.)

Kagamiko wrote:Maybe you have, because you belive in it and that makes you feel it. I don't WANT to belive. I would loose my will to live if I was living by the belif that there is one almighty god that can turn the world around if he wanted to.

Haha that's weird.

It's statistically proven that people who believe in God are happier and feel they have more of a purpose then those who don't. And yet you think you would have a less of one if you believed? ^_^

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:Maybe you have, because you belive in it and that makes you feel it. I don't WANT to belive. I would loose my will to live if I was living by the belif that there is one almighty god that can turn the world around if he wanted to. I am a member of the swedish church since my birth, and I have been given the chance to chose my own faith, and I decided not to belive because that would make me feel chained. To me living my life succumbing to a religion isn't freedom, it's a prison. My soul and mind would be held down by the higher power in that religion, and I would loose my will to live. I would feel like as if I was living to the joy of that other person that I can't be 100% sure exists, instead of living for my friends and the happyness for the people around me.

Don't get me wrong now, I understand what god and Jesus are to some people, I've just decided to put the faith and trust some have in them in the people around me insted. It's more natural for me to live that way.

so basically you don'
t want to follows rules and live your life your own way?
and i agree with teh religion thing
i don't like religion either
because life isnt' about religion
life is about a relationship
I can tell you right now that i'm living more then 1,000,000 times more joyfully then i was before i found out
its not something i just believe but i trust with all my heart
i realise i'm wrong and i'm not close to perfect
but through Jesus i am made whole and made complete. Also i have more joy then anyone without this
i cannot deny that
i have a hope for living
i have a hope for everyone that everything wil turn out fine
i have a hope for love and i let it guide me (i don't always follow perfectly)
i can tell you right now
if you want to be happy then you can't stay as you are


sometimes the hardest thing to believe is the truth
and the truth is that my god is love (for more read 1 Corinthians 13:4-7)

I've read parts of the bible, and it says a lot of beautiful things, as well as many disturbing ones.

But I'm happy that beliving in god and Jesus makes you happy, I just don't want to live that way.

And about the religion thing: Maybe we have a different view of religion, but what you are telling me about your relationship with Jesus sounds an awfully lot like religion to me. Maybe it's because we live in different countrys, but a religious person to me, is a person who belives Jesus was gods son. (christianity, if I were to list all religions this would take forever.)

i guess we have a different view on religion
because to me religion is a set of rules and regulations
and all these rituals and stuff
but having a relationship with Christ is different then that
i don't have to go to church i don't have to be perfect. I can mess up infinite times and i'll still be forgiven
however its more like a race, i am trying to finish my race adn my mistakes are like falling into a ditch. When I ask for forgiveness Jesus helps me up adn helps me continue my race

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:Maybe you have, because you belive in it and that makes you feel it. I don't WANT to belive. I would loose my will to live if I was living by the belif that there is one almighty god that can turn the world around if he wanted to. I am a member of the swedish church since my birth, and I have been given the chance to chose my own faith, and I decided not to belive because that would make me feel chained. To me living my life succumbing to a religion isn't freedom, it's a prison. My soul and mind would be held down by the higher power in that religion, and I would loose my will to live. I would feel like as if I was living to the joy of that other person that I can't be 100% sure exists, instead of living for my friends and the happyness for the people around me.

Don't get me wrong now, I understand what god and Jesus are to some people, I've just decided to put the faith and trust some have in them in the people around me insted. It's more natural for me to live that way.

so basically you don'
t want to follows rules and live your life your own way?
and i agree with teh religion thing
i don't like religion either
because life isnt' about religion
life is about a relationship
I can tell you right now that i'm living more then 1,000,000 times more joyfully then i was before i found out
its not something i just believe but i trust with all my heart
i realise i'm wrong and i'm not close to perfect
but through Jesus i am made whole and made complete. Also i have more joy then anyone without this
i cannot deny that
i have a hope for living
i have a hope for everyone that everything wil turn out fine
i have a hope for love and i let it guide me (i don't always follow perfectly)
i can tell you right now
if you want to be happy then you can't stay as you are


sometimes the hardest thing to believe is the truth
and the truth is that my god is love (for more read 1 Corinthians 13:4-7)

I've read parts of the bible, and it says a lot of beautiful things, as well as many disturbing ones.

But I'm happy that beliving in god and Jesus makes you happy, I just don't want to live that way.

And about the religion thing: Maybe we have a different view of religion, but what you are telling me about your relationship with Jesus sounds an awfully lot like religion to me. Maybe it's because we live in different countrys, but a religious person to me, is a person who belives Jesus was gods son. (christianity, if I were to list all religions this would take forever.)

i guess we have a different view on religion
because to me religion is a set of rules and regulations
and all these rituals and stuff
but having a relationship with Christ is different then that
i don't have to go to church i don't have to be perfect. I can mess up infinite times and i'll still be forgiven
however its more like a race, i am trying to finish my race adn my mistakes are like falling into a ditch. When I ask for forgiveness Jesus helps me up adn helps me continue my race

That's good ^^

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:Maybe you have, because you belive in it and that makes you feel it. I don't WANT to belive. I would loose my will to live if I was living by the belif that there is one almighty god that can turn the world around if he wanted to. I am a member of the swedish church since my birth, and I have been given the chance to chose my own faith, and I decided not to belive because that would make me feel chained. To me living my life succumbing to a religion isn't freedom, it's a prison. My soul and mind would be held down by the higher power in that religion, and I would loose my will to live. I would feel like as if I was living to the joy of that other person that I can't be 100% sure exists, instead of living for my friends and the happyness for the people around me.

Don't get me wrong now, I understand what god and Jesus are to some people, I've just decided to put the faith and trust some have in them in the people around me insted. It's more natural for me to live that way.

so basically you don'
t want to follows rules and live your life your own way?
and i agree with teh religion thing
i don't like religion either
because life isnt' about religion
life is about a relationship
I can tell you right now that i'm living more then 1,000,000 times more joyfully then i was before i found out
its not something i just believe but i trust with all my heart
i realise i'm wrong and i'm not close to perfect
but through Jesus i am made whole and made complete. Also i have more joy then anyone without this
i cannot deny that
i have a hope for living
i have a hope for everyone that everything wil turn out fine
i have a hope for love and i let it guide me (i don't always follow perfectly)
i can tell you right now
if you want to be happy then you can't stay as you are


sometimes the hardest thing to believe is the truth
and the truth is that my god is love (for more read 1 Corinthians 13:4-7)

I've read parts of the bible, and it says a lot of beautiful things, as well as many disturbing ones.

But I'm happy that beliving in god and Jesus makes you happy, I just don't want to live that way.

And about the religion thing: Maybe we have a different view of religion, but what you are telling me about your relationship with Jesus sounds an awfully lot like religion to me. Maybe it's because we live in different countrys, but a religious person to me, is a person who belives Jesus was gods son. (christianity, if I were to list all religions this would take forever.)

i guess we have a different view on religion
because to me religion is a set of rules and regulations
and all these rituals and stuff
but having a relationship with Christ is different then that
i don't have to go to church i don't have to be perfect. I can mess up infinite times and i'll still be forgiven
however its more like a race, i am trying to finish my race adn my mistakes are like falling into a ditch. When I ask for forgiveness Jesus helps me up adn helps me continue my race

That's good ^^

mhm
also its cool because i can say all these things about the bible that i've learnt and no one i tell them to will understand me what-so-ever

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:Maybe you have, because you belive in it and that makes you feel it. I don't WANT to belive. I would loose my will to live if I was living by the belif that there is one almighty god that can turn the world around if he wanted to. I am a member of the swedish church since my birth, and I have been given the chance to chose my own faith, and I decided not to belive because that would make me feel chained. To me living my life succumbing to a religion isn't freedom, it's a prison. My soul and mind would be held down by the higher power in that religion, and I would loose my will to live. I would feel like as if I was living to the joy of that other person that I can't be 100% sure exists, instead of living for my friends and the happyness for the people around me.

Don't get me wrong now, I understand what god and Jesus are to some people, I've just decided to put the faith and trust some have in them in the people around me insted. It's more natural for me to live that way.

so basically you don'
t want to follows rules and live your life your own way?
and i agree with teh religion thing
i don't like religion either
because life isnt' about religion
life is about a relationship
I can tell you right now that i'm living more then 1,000,000 times more joyfully then i was before i found out
its not something i just believe but i trust with all my heart
i realise i'm wrong and i'm not close to perfect
but through Jesus i am made whole and made complete. Also i have more joy then anyone without this
i cannot deny that
i have a hope for living
i have a hope for everyone that everything wil turn out fine
i have a hope for love and i let it guide me (i don't always follow perfectly)
i can tell you right now
if you want to be happy then you can't stay as you are


sometimes the hardest thing to believe is the truth
and the truth is that my god is love (for more read 1 Corinthians 13:4-7)

I've read parts of the bible, and it says a lot of beautiful things, as well as many disturbing ones.

But I'm happy that beliving in god and Jesus makes you happy, I just don't want to live that way.

And about the religion thing: Maybe we have a different view of religion, but what you are telling me about your relationship with Jesus sounds an awfully lot like religion to me. Maybe it's because we live in different countrys, but a religious person to me, is a person who belives Jesus was gods son. (christianity, if I were to list all religions this would take forever.)

i guess we have a different view on religion
because to me religion is a set of rules and regulations
and all these rituals and stuff
but having a relationship with Christ is different then that
i don't have to go to church i don't have to be perfect. I can mess up infinite times and i'll still be forgiven
however its more like a race, i am trying to finish my race adn my mistakes are like falling into a ditch. When I ask for forgiveness Jesus helps me up adn helps me continue my race

That's good ^^

mhm
also its cool because i can say all these things about the bible that i've learnt and no one i tell them to will understand me what-so-ever

haha! You know, it's cool when you keep it so personal. Not just a attendig-church-once-a-week-cause-I-have-to thing, but better.

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Kagamiko wrote:Maybe you have, because you belive in it and that makes you feel it. I don't WANT to belive. I would loose my will to live if I was living by the belif that there is one almighty god that can turn the world around if he wanted to. I am a member of the swedish church since my birth, and I have been given the chance to chose my own faith, and I decided not to belive because that would make me feel chained. To me living my life succumbing to a religion isn't freedom, it's a prison. My soul and mind would be held down by the higher power in that religion, and I would loose my will to live. I would feel like as if I was living to the joy of that other person that I can't be 100% sure exists, instead of living for my friends and the happyness for the people around me.

Don't get me wrong now, I understand what god and Jesus are to some people, I've just decided to put the faith and trust some have in them in the people around me insted. It's more natural for me to live that way.

so basically you don'
t want to follows rules and live your life your own way?
and i agree with teh religion thing
i don't like religion either
because life isnt' about religion
life is about a relationship
I can tell you right now that i'm living more then 1,000,000 times more joyfully then i was before i found out
its not something i just believe but i trust with all my heart
i realise i'm wrong and i'm not close to perfect
but through Jesus i am made whole and made complete. Also i have more joy then anyone without this
i cannot deny that
i have a hope for living
i have a hope for everyone that everything wil turn out fine
i have a hope for love and i let it guide me (i don't always follow perfectly)
i can tell you right now
if you want to be happy then you can't stay as you are


sometimes the hardest thing to believe is the truth
and the truth is that my god is love (for more read 1 Corinthians 13:4-7)

I've read parts of the bible, and it says a lot of beautiful things, as well as many disturbing ones.

But I'm happy that beliving in god and Jesus makes you happy, I just don't want to live that way.

And about the religion thing: Maybe we have a different view of religion, but what you are telling me about your relationship with Jesus sounds an awfully lot like religion to me. Maybe it's because we live in different countrys, but a religious person to me, is a person who belives Jesus was gods son. (christianity, if I were to list all religions this would take forever.)

i guess we have a different view on religion
because to me religion is a set of rules and regulations
and all these rituals and stuff
but having a relationship with Christ is different then that
i don't have to go to church i don't have to be perfect. I can mess up infinite times and i'll still be forgiven
however its more like a race, i am trying to finish my race adn my mistakes are like falling into a ditch. When I ask for forgiveness Jesus helps me up adn helps me continue my race

That's good ^^

mhm
also its cool because i can say all these things about the bible that i've learnt and no one i tell them to will understand me what-so-ever

haha! You know, it's cool when you keep it so personal. Not just a attendig-church-once-a-week-cause-I-have-to thing, but better.

keep it personal?
although i like my church i just can't go ver often because of hockey and other stuff

God created us!!!! No ifs or buts. There's no doubt about it.

Creation.

If we always just went on from old things and made them better we would only have the smae thing that got better. But nothing new or different.

:O
the thread is momentarily revived

but then died for a couple of months lol

then you revived it again :P
....and now it's probably going to die again

maybe

if don't start debating again

Why can't both be true?
Why can't there be a creator and an evolutionary process?

Endless Nothing wrote:Why can't both be true?
Why can't there be a creator and an evolutionary process?

exactly!
Theistic Evolution!

There is proof enough, for me at least, to believe that some form of evolution occurs.
But of course I look around at the world and it is impossible for me to believe something so complicated and beautiful happened by chance.
Thus i am also led to believe in a creator.