Creation Vs Evolution

oooooooooo do i see pics?

I should dig up some of my pics.

On a different note.
This thread has become a religion thread.
That's not cool, debate about the topic not about whether the bible is fact or fiction.

Come on TFK, it's time to stretch your...dare i say it...pic-toral muscles. Bring out the pictures.

bah, look at the random pics thread if you want to see some of my collection of pics.

Creation and Evolution are all pointless right now.....
Work on getting your act together and forget about this whole thing. If God really loves us, Creation vs Evolution doesn't matter. As long as we believe in God, then it doesn't matter how we were created, as long as we were. You should stop this petty squable and start working towards accepting God and if you want to believe in creationism... then do so in private. If you want to believe in evolutionism... then do so in your own home.

Lightning Mist wrote:Creation and Evolution are all pointless right now.....
Work on getting your act together and forget about this whole thing. If God really loves us, Creation vs Evolution doesn't matter. As long as we believe in God, then it doesn't matter how we were created, as long as we were. You should stop this petty squable and start working towards accepting God and if you want to believe in creationism... then do so in private. If you want to believe in evolutionism... then do so in your own home.

Nice pun, Sado

I have my act together, always have, always will. Thanks for the warn-to.

no problem.... just don't get too caught up in the small things...It's dangerous

Titaniumxvx wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Titaniumxvx wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Titaniumxvx wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Titaniumxvx wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Kazekage*Gaara wrote:I beleive evolution is a theory created by scientists to try and come up with an explanation for them not being able to take credit for creating the human race themselves. It does say God created the earth, and right now I stand by that point. But I suppose that is just my opinion. :] One out of so many.

God created everything, yes
but to my knowledge, evolution did happen

do you actually proof?
a actually full body of a all the specimens that humans evolved from to now would prove your poi nt otherwise, face it, it didn't happen

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it
I'm not saying the bible is wrong, though. I'm just saying humans have evolved from the early humanoids to who we are today. God created everything, and that seems to be common ground for us. So if I was an evolutionist, why am I saying I believe God created everything?

And no, it's not trying to please everyone. I don't really care if you're pleased or not. This is just something that makes the most sense to me

this

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it

contridicts
this

I'm not saying the bible is wrong

you can't say both
its like saying
I support Hitler's cause
but the americans are doing the right thing


its like saying i support good but i like doing sinful things better
you hypocrite how can you think your way is right?
were you the one who created the heavens and the earth?
NO
that was the Lord our father
were you the one who was and is and is to come?
No
that is our Lord
were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no
so don't say evolution happened, becausethe Bible says God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
and don't get started o this, oh but theres proof and such and such because you have no proof, because we have asked you already and you keep repeting the same words. How is that proof? We Disproved you and proved our sides, but yet you harden yourself.

Give the girl time to think now..

haha
well she has a lot of time to think

No, because you keeping saying

WRONG!

WRONG!

WRONG! WRONG! I'm not going to contradict a word in the bible, how could I do that?

It's easy to tune out Science but Religion is a personal thing that steps into deeper territory.

Telling Evolutionists that they are wrong is not going to convert the strong-willed, hardy person. They'll keep fighting until people stop poking holes. Just Standing up for what they/we believe.

Don't hate on that. ^_^

first off
it does contridic because she says i belive the bible is right, but evolution happened. The bible doesn't say evolutioned happened, so she is contradicting herself. Just to let you know, you can be very religeous but not get to heaven. Religion is rules. A relantionship with Jesus, has no rules to apply by ( i mean like go to school or brush your teeth)
because when you accept Jesus into your heart, he becomes your friend and well you start a race (metaphorically of course)
everyone falls off the road into the ditch now and again, but we lkearn from that and we get stronger in faith and we won't make the same mistake again.

I don't see she how i am ignoring science since she never mentioned anything scientifical
now tell me doesn't this

God created everything

contradict or agree with this?

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it

seriously thats what she is saying

Is she Christian? I don't know her but maybe that's why. This point was brought up before that she was a theistic evolutionist. If you go back and find the definition of one, she is not contradicting views on the bible/evolution. And I'm sincerely sorry about that, I still have much to learn about Christianity. (Titan screws up another def. Put up Cardboard look-alike and throw the darts!) Thanks, despite it not insulting religion, I still don't want to insult it anyway, you know.
I was seriously scared for Sado's life when he asked about the bible being perfect. She's proven her point multiple times before this with Q, finding more scientific info now to appease you with,when relaxing, would only prove murderous to the mindset.

haha, i didn't understand a word of you
but thats ok
i really don't know what sabaku is either
so i'm not gonna pretend like I do
but I do know that the bible is true and it happened

I thought you knew her in real life.
And ok, I won't defy that but for you to bring the bible into this..

ah, i know now what she is and i do know her in real life

seh is a theist evolutionist

quater wrote:

Titaniumxvx wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Sado wrote:Q, the way you present it essentially boils down to "without Jesus you can't be a good person," and that's something that's insulting to me on a personal level.

As for if the world is a better place or not, who knows, it might be or it might not. But I doubt that it's a worse place due soley to the acts of non-believers.

Furthermore, I stand by the fact that there has been nothing proven here, arguments have been presented but nothing established as undisputable.

that's true, actually
this whole thing is faith, faith, 2% science, and interpertation based on one's beliefs
we're going no where, but I find this a good way to hone my debating skills ^^

Haha, 2 percent Science..

Pardon my language.

But come on! How dare you tell us we are nothing but faith when you drove us there. I have used almost all science when it was science related. YOU ARE ASKING OPINION AND FAITH QUESTIONS! Why is evolution bad? THATS A FAITH QUESTION! NOT SCIENCE. How could it be Science? How could we possibly answer that Scientifically? Besides saying we believe it's wrong? How can you guys answer the question why is Intelligent Design bad without saying that you believe your science is right. That's opinion.

Ridiculous. Just ridiculous how you are acting. Bad you guys. Very Bad. I am astonished at the near sightedness. I mean really. Have you guys not seen it? Am I the only one who has watched you guys drive us more and more away from Science, and now you are congratulating your selves on it and belittling us?

It's not good at all my friends. Not good. You disappointed me actually.

well sciencetist don't count intellegent design as science but rather junk-science, also its another world for creationism
i read the wikipedia page on it today
also on theist evoluion

Lightning Mist wrote:Creation and Evolution are all pointless right now.....
Work on getting your act together and forget about this whole thing. If God really loves us, Creation vs Evolution doesn't matter. As long as we believe in God, then it doesn't matter how we were created, as long as we were. You should stop this petty squable and start working towards accepting God and if you want to believe in creationism... then do so in private. If you want to believe in evolutionism... then do so in your own home.

teh problem is lm
is that if someone where to believe and trust God
but thinks he didn't create us or that we evolved from some slime way back when
its kinda hard
i mean they aren't following the bible, like you can say you believe in god, but so does satan
you can say you trust god
well someone could just be saying that instead of actually meaning it
false prophets... you get my point right? (i don't think I did)

Amaterasu wrote:

Lightning Mist wrote:Creation and Evolution are all pointless right now.....
Work on getting your act together and forget about this whole thing. If God really loves us, Creation vs Evolution doesn't matter. As long as we believe in God, then it doesn't matter how we were created, as long as we were. You should stop this petty squable and start working towards accepting God and if you want to believe in creationism... then do so in private. If you want to believe in evolutionism... then do so in your own home.

teh problem is lm
is that if someone where to believe and trust God
but thinks he didn't create us or that we evolved from some slime way back when
its kinda hard
i mean they aren't following the bible, like you can say you believe in god, but so does satan
you can say you trust god
well someone could just be saying that instead of actually meaning it
false prophets... you get my point right? (i don't think I did)

Then that's his/her own decision...not ours

and no i don't get your point

Lightning Mist wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Lightning Mist wrote:Creation and Evolution are all pointless right now.....
Work on getting your act together and forget about this whole thing. If God really loves us, Creation vs Evolution doesn't matter. As long as we believe in God, then it doesn't matter how we were created, as long as we were. You should stop this petty squable and start working towards accepting God and if you want to believe in creationism... then do so in private. If you want to believe in evolutionism... then do so in your own home.

teh problem is lm
is that if someone where to believe and trust God
but thinks he didn't create us or that we evolved from some slime way back when
its kinda hard
i mean they aren't following the bible, like you can say you believe in god, but so does satan
you can say you trust god
well someone could just be saying that instead of actually meaning it
false prophets... you get my point right? (i don't think I did)

Then that's his/her own decision...not ours

and no i don't get your point

well i guess it does matter because it says this is revelations
Revelations 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book or prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are dsescribed in this book

now, the bible says God created the world in 7 days right?
well if someone where to say that is not how it went down it becomes a problem, bbecause not only are they saying the bible is wrong, but if they say they still believe in the bible they are taking out words from it thus leading to their future, seperated from god, because you can't say this happened, because science has theroies about it over saying this happened, because the bible states it. Remember God is perfect and so is his word, do you think evolution could ever disprove it?
evolution is just another religion
like the flying spagetti monster
or the invisible pink unicorn

lol....funny religion examples....and yeah.....i know but god created the tree of knowledge in the garden of Eden for a reason, so that we always had a choice... it doesn't mean that we always make the right one. And you shouldn't force your beliefs on other... just like what your doing to saba....your forcing it on her. God gave us the decision.... it's ours to make.

i'm not forcing her
i have not done something like
believe this
*hits her on head with a bible* (example)
i have merely stated the stuff i believe in and what i know is true. I've seen miracles i've heard of them
i've seen god's majesty
theres no possible way i can believe something stupid like the evolution theory

trees have knowladge, but they praise god by being trees. Cats praise God by living as Cats
we are children of GOd, we praise god by living as children of god
as for the decision
its very simple
you ask jesus to come into your life and be your personal savior and then when you die you will live with him in heaven forever
if you don't want to know god and go on your merry way believing what you want to
sinning like having sex before marriage
or jsut denying God
you get your wish and live a eternity away from God, in which we call Hell

ok....what ever.........i already knew all that im just saying that you have no right to deny anything that other people want to believe......say evolution...

If someone says that evolution happens just say "Cool...I believe in creation."

and leave it at that.

Lightning Mist wrote:ok....what ever.........i already knew all that im just saying that you have no right to deny anything that other people want to believe......say evolution...

If someone says that evolution happens just say "Cool...I believe in creation."

and leave it at that.

the problem is however
when you say that you usually say something like yeah well i think the bibles full of lies and whatnot
also i don't know about you, but people have been trying to disprove creation so they will start a debate on site
thats why i dislike just asking religion, because religion isn't erally anything worth getting into
i eman i'm not apart of a religion
i have arelationship with Jesus, thats all
and i have a hard time discussing it with others cause they are all like oh religion, boo whybring that into it?
driscrimination
and whatnot
and besides i'm allowed to voice my opinion on this so don't get on my case just because i'm saying what I believe

i'm taking a break from this thread for oh say a month or two or twelve

sorry, triple post and i said i wasn't gonna come here, but this is my last proof for a long time

watch this video

arguing with creationists is pretty pointless
evolutions are more open minded...usually =D

yeah, so this thread is pretty much going to die until ama reivives it, eh? (unless Q would like to talk some more :P)

sabaku no ketsueki wrote: arguing with creationists is pretty pointless
evolutions are more open minded...usually =D

yeah, so this thread is pretty much going to die until ama reivives it, eh? (unless Q would like to talk some more :P)

Actually I was hoping to bury this thread some pages back. Of course, evolutionists are very open minded, we creationists are backward Caveman to your superior intellect my friend. Your tolerance is clearly astounding. We will stick to our ancient rituals while you have clearly evolved past us on the highway to life. You are clearly descendant of early geniuses while my ancestral chain must be that of a flawed retard Genome. However, I prefer it this way.

I'll revive it in a month or so.

hm.............how interesting you took it that way, Q
I'm just saying, that's the way it is. If I were able to "open your mind" to my side, i'd be pretty damn good at this (which I'm not) I don't mean that in a negative way...it sounded like it, I know, but it's simple because science is open to change. Creationists argue harder because if you were to say you think I'm right, it would shake your belief, which is not what I try to do.

anyways, I respect your opinion, but I must defend my own beliefs too, no? I can come off as mean, but I don't mean too ^^ (though I can be a bitch sometimes, and I realize that)

*shutting up now*

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:hm.............how interesting you took it that way, Q
I'm just saying, that's the way it is. If I were able to "open your mind" to my side, i'd be pretty damn good at this (which I'm not) I don't mean that in a negative way...it sounded like it, I know, but it's simple because science is open to change. Creationists argue harder because if you were to say you think I'm right, it would shake your belief, which is not what I try to do.

anyways, I respect your opinion, but I must defend my own beliefs too, no? I can come off as mean, but I don't mean too ^^ (though I can be a bitch sometimes, and I realize that)

*shutting up now*

ahah, evolution is nothing but a religion in itself
i really can't stand watching you makes these statements
tehy are how do i say it................
not..no no......
ok let me do it this way
you say evolution is open minded however we are not. Is that correct?

Creationists argue harder because if you were to say you think I'm right, it would shake your belief,

i say so
see you think we are argueing because of some blind faith we have and we can't accept evolution because of that. well in truth not only do we have faith because we have seen god and we can see his creation but we also have scienctific proof. in that movie up above, a sciencetist, a professional one shows us cells and he disproved darwins theory. If you watched it (i doubt it) Darwin said himself that is something like the cell they were explaining was real his theory could not have happened. And guess what? they did find that cell that disproves his theory.
Evolutionist claim we evolved froma common ancestor with apes. well if thats the case, wheres the half amn half shark? or the half man half elephant. If monkeys evolved into humans, shouldn't ther animals have evolved inot humans? or where is the species that can live in all wheather conditions, underwater without air, in the sky, where is the perfect animal that has adapted to everything, because evolution would say that a animal can become like that. if you say God used evolution to make us. He may have had some species adapt to there surroundings, but he most certainly never changed one species to another (i.e. ape to human) explain why god would waste millions of years making a human from a ape when he could go poof and there it is.

look sabaku we are not closed minded fools who repeat the same words over and over as if we were insane. We don't make up crap and say it to you, we have evidence, we have seen it, we have smelled it, we have tasted it, we are apart of it. We don't need a theory unexplainable through science today. Because science is finding new discoveries that are making creation seem more likely and evolution less likely.
Did you not stop and think that we might hold some truth in our words? or did you blindly appect them and empty words, refusing to say your wrong. The difference between you and I and you and Q is that we accept when we are wrong. we accepted Jesus by saying we are wrong, that he holds and spoke the truth. A lot of people who believe in evolution or theist evolution are taking out God. In all your arguments you failed to accept Jesus as teh true Savior but you say you believe in the bible. I sya now, you arte a false prophet. According to the bible you claim to believe in.

1 John 2:21
I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth.
22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Sucha man is a antichrist-he denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:2
This is how ou can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknoledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flash if from God, But every spirit that does not acknoledges Jesus is no0t from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

a anti christ is someone who is not a believer. Sabaku at school I told you nteh parable of the two masters Jesus taught. Remember that teh bible says oine servant cannot serve two masters. well the two amster sabaku are Satan and God
God's word on the matter of out beginning and our history is writen word for word in the bible. Anything that is not from his word are words from Satan. So by saying them you are actually speaking against God.

If I were able to "open your mind" to my side, i'd be pretty damn good at this

If you were able to open our minds...... well infact you cannot open our minds because our minds have read the truth, the bible, and thats why we argue for it, thats why we tell you over and over again that your wrong, because we have seen the truth and the truth speaks no lies.
you say come to your side, However it is evident you are not on God's side, if your not on God's side, whose side are you on?
we are on the said of one master, so you must be on the other masters side. If we are on God's side what side are you on?
everything that is not from god is evil for god is good, we are on God's side, so we do not speak lies which are evil, if your not on god's side sabaku then you must be speaking lies, How can evil be trusted? If you graspe your mind around this idea sabaku realise your not right, realize you need help, realize that the path your going on will lead to a eternity away from god in which we call hell.

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:hm.............how interesting you took it that way, Q
I'm just saying, that's the way it is. If I were able to "open your mind" to my side, i'd be pretty damn good at this (which I'm not) I don't mean that in a negative way...it sounded like it, I know, but it's simple because science is open to change. Creationists argue harder because if you were to say you think I'm right, it would shake your belief, which is not what I try to do.

anyways, I respect your opinion, but I must defend my own beliefs too, no? I can come off as mean, but I don't mean too ^^ (though I can be a bitch sometimes, and I realize that)

*shutting up now*

Maybe I was being serious eh?

I ask you but one question.

If you are so open minded, why does it bug you that I believe in Intelligent Design?

quater wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:hm.............how interesting you took it that way, Q
I'm just saying, that's the way it is. If I were able to "open your mind" to my side, i'd be pretty damn good at this (which I'm not) I don't mean that in a negative way...it sounded like it, I know, but it's simple because science is open to change. Creationists argue harder because if you were to say you think I'm right, it would shake your belief, which is not what I try to do.

anyways, I respect your opinion, but I must defend my own beliefs too, no? I can come off as mean, but I don't mean too ^^ (though I can be a bitch sometimes, and I realize that)

*shutting up now*

Maybe I was being serious eh?

I ask you but one question.

If you are so open minded, why does it bug you that I believe in Intelligent Design?

hey, when did I say I was open minded? I just said evolutionists are more open to the possibilty of my side than creationists, since science is open to change. It's not really a bad thing that you stick to your beliefs....
this isn't helping me at all...but if you are dead set on your beliefs, then good for you. (not sarcasm)

and I have no idea what Intelligent Design this, so therefore, it does not bug me ^^

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

quater wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:hm.............how interesting you took it that way, Q
I'm just saying, that's the way it is. If I were able to "open your mind" to my side, i'd be pretty damn good at this (which I'm not) I don't mean that in a negative way...it sounded like it, I know, but it's simple because science is open to change. Creationists argue harder because if you were to say you think I'm right, it would shake your belief, which is not what I try to do.

anyways, I respect your opinion, but I must defend my own beliefs too, no? I can come off as mean, but I don't mean too ^^ (though I can be a bitch sometimes, and I realize that)

*shutting up now*

Maybe I was being serious eh?

I ask you but one question.

If you are so open minded, why does it bug you that I believe in Intelligent Design?

hey, when did I say I was open minded? I just said evolutionists are more open to the possibilty of my side than creationists, since science is open to change. It's not really a bad thing that you stick to your beliefs....
this isn't helping me at all...but if you are dead set on your beliefs, then good for you. (not sarcasm)

and I have no idea what Intelligent Design this, so therefore, it does not bug me ^^

If you do not know what intelligent Design is, then Sabaku all this arguing has done what I suspected, taught you not.

And I agree Evolutionary science is more open to your side.

You know what's funny? You are an ID.

quater wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

quater wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:hm.............how interesting you took it that way, Q
I'm just saying, that's the way it is. If I were able to "open your mind" to my side, i'd be pretty damn good at this (which I'm not) I don't mean that in a negative way...it sounded like it, I know, but it's simple because science is open to change. Creationists argue harder because if you were to say you think I'm right, it would shake your belief, which is not what I try to do.

anyways, I respect your opinion, but I must defend my own beliefs too, no? I can come off as mean, but I don't mean too ^^ (though I can be a bitch sometimes, and I realize that)

*shutting up now*

Maybe I was being serious eh?

I ask you but one question.

If you are so open minded, why does it bug you that I believe in Intelligent Design?

hey, when did I say I was open minded? I just said evolutionists are more open to the possibilty of my side than creationists, since science is open to change. It's not really a bad thing that you stick to your beliefs....
this isn't helping me at all...but if you are dead set on your beliefs, then good for you. (not sarcasm)

and I have no idea what Intelligent Design this, so therefore, it does not bug me ^^

If you do not know what intelligent Design is, then Sabaku all this arguing has done what I suspected, taught you not.

And I agree Evolutionary science is more open to your side.

You know what's funny? You are an ID.

@ ama - I didn't read any of that, but I think you were being mean....so yeah *shrugs*

Q........no, I've seen you mention it a few times, but that was in debates NOT with me, so I didn't read them =D
and was that an insult? *is too stupid to know* it looks like one, so...uh....
and all of this has taught me how to be a better debater, I think.