Creation Vs Evolution

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Kazekage*Gaara wrote:I beleive evolution is a theory created by scientists to try and come up with an explanation for them not being able to take credit for creating the human race themselves. It does say God created the earth, and right now I stand by that point. But I suppose that is just my opinion. :] One out of so many.

God created everything, yes
but to my knowledge, evolution did happen

do you actually proof?
a actually full body of a all the specimens that humans evolved from to now would prove your poi nt otherwise, face it, it didn't happen

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it
I'm not saying the bible is wrong, though. I'm just saying humans have evolved from the early humanoids to who we are today. God created everything, and that seems to be common ground for us. So if I was an evolutionist, why am I saying I believe God created everything?

And no, it's not trying to please everyone. I don't really care if you're pleased or not. This is just something that makes the most sense to me

this

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it

contridicts
this

I'm not saying the bible is wrong

you can't say both
its like saying
I support Hitler's cause
but the americans are doing the right thing


its like saying i support good but i like doing sinful things better
you hypocrite how can you think your way is right?
were you the one who created the heavens and the earth?
NO
that was the Lord our father
were you the one who was and is and is to come?
No
that is our Lord
were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no
so don't say evolution happened, becausethe Bible says God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
and don't get started o this, oh but theres proof and such and such because you have no proof, because we have asked you already and you keep repeting the same words. How is that proof? We Disproved you and proved our sides, but yet you harden yourself.

I'm begining to see that you don't understand the whole point of any debate
and how is that a condriction? it's not. you CAN have both, you know. it's completely possible.

were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no

irrevalent fact

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so, it is very possible. how have you disproved evolution? I haven't seen that. It seems you don't want to believe that you can have creation and evolution at the same time. If God created everything, what stopped Him from creating the first early humans? How do we know that they were as we are today?

tell me can you have evil and good existing in the same place?
can you have peace and war in teh same place?

ok, seriously, why are you so opposed to the concept of evolution?

because it didn't happen

ok, why not?
support your agruement

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Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Kazekage*Gaara wrote:I beleive evolution is a theory created by scientists to try and come up with an explanation for them not being able to take credit for creating the human race themselves. It does say God created the earth, and right now I stand by that point. But I suppose that is just my opinion. :] One out of so many.

God created everything, yes
but to my knowledge, evolution did happen

do you actually proof?
a actually full body of a all the specimens that humans evolved from to now would prove your poi nt otherwise, face it, it didn't happen

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it
I'm not saying the bible is wrong, though. I'm just saying humans have evolved from the early humanoids to who we are today. God created everything, and that seems to be common ground for us. So if I was an evolutionist, why am I saying I believe God created everything?

And no, it's not trying to please everyone. I don't really care if you're pleased or not. This is just something that makes the most sense to me

this

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it

contridicts
this

I'm not saying the bible is wrong

you can't say both
its like saying
I support Hitler's cause
but the americans are doing the right thing


its like saying i support good but i like doing sinful things better
you hypocrite how can you think your way is right?
were you the one who created the heavens and the earth?
NO
that was the Lord our father
were you the one who was and is and is to come?
No
that is our Lord
were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no
so don't say evolution happened, becausethe Bible says God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
and don't get started o this, oh but theres proof and such and such because you have no proof, because we have asked you already and you keep repeting the same words. How is that proof? We Disproved you and proved our sides, but yet you harden yourself.

I'm begining to see that you don't understand the whole point of any debate
and how is that a condriction? it's not. you CAN have both, you know. it's completely possible.

were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no

irrevalent fact

-------
so, it is very possible. how have you disproved evolution? I haven't seen that. It seems you don't want to believe that you can have creation and evolution at the same time. If God created everything, what stopped Him from creating the first early humans? How do we know that they were as we are today?

tell me can you have evil and good existing in the same place?
can you have peace and war in teh same place?

ok, seriously, why are you so opposed to the concept of evolution?

Because it takes away responsibility. And not only that, but it slaps the amazingness out of our God.

how?

How does it take away responsibility? I'm intrigued by the reasoning that could be behind this one.

genesis 1:1- In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
John
1:1-5 IN the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and hte
Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all
things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In
him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in
the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it

look at the underlined phrase for a second.
what it says in teh bible is that everything was made by god. If we evolved we did so by our own will because of our surroundings and stuff.
well that is not what it says in the bible.
and i will hold ground here until you can prove to me with my own evidence that i'm wrong. Don't say anything about me debating style. I have a different view on how debates should work and hwo battles should be fought, like a general surveing the grounds. I want you to prove with the bible that i am wrong, if you cannot do that the n evolution couldn't have happened

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

quater wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Kazekage*Gaara wrote:I beleive evolution is a theory created by scientists to try and come up with an explanation for them not being able to take credit for creating the human race themselves. It does say God created the earth, and right now I stand by that point. But I suppose that is just my opinion. :] One out of so many.

God created everything, yes
but to my knowledge, evolution did happen

do you actually proof?
a actually full body of a all the specimens that humans evolved from to now would prove your poi nt otherwise, face it, it didn't happen

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it
I'm not saying the bible is wrong, though. I'm just saying humans have evolved from the early humanoids to who we are today. God created everything, and that seems to be common ground for us. So if I was an evolutionist, why am I saying I believe God created everything?

And no, it's not trying to please everyone. I don't really care if you're pleased or not. This is just something that makes the most sense to me

this

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it

contridicts
this

I'm not saying the bible is wrong

you can't say both
its like saying
I support Hitler's cause
but the americans are doing the right thing


its like saying i support good but i like doing sinful things better
you hypocrite how can you think your way is right?
were you the one who created the heavens and the earth?
NO
that was the Lord our father
were you the one who was and is and is to come?
No
that is our Lord
were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no
so don't say evolution happened, becausethe Bible says God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
and don't get started o this, oh but theres proof and such and such because you have no proof, because we have asked you already and you keep repeting the same words. How is that proof? We Disproved you and proved our sides, but yet you harden yourself.

I'm begining to see that you don't understand the whole point of any debate
and how is that a condriction? it's not. you CAN have both, you know. it's completely possible.

were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no

irrevalent fact

-------
so, it is very possible. how have you disproved evolution? I haven't seen that. It seems you don't want to believe that you can have creation and evolution at the same time. If God created everything, what stopped Him from creating the first early humans? How do we know that they were as we are today?

tell me can you have evil and good existing in the same place?
can you have peace and war in teh same place?

ok, seriously, why are you so opposed to the concept of evolution?

Because it takes away responsibility. And not only that, but it slaps the amazingness out of our God.

how?

Our God Said Seven days first off. He did not say, my friends, I made the World over a long period of time and slowly bit by bit I crafted you humans from the animals. Instead he said I spent a day, and I made you humans, in my own image.

That in itself says so much.

But, how does it take responsibility. Your daughter goes on her first date, what would your rather say to her? "Honey, you are special and made for a purpose, don't go mess it up, no matter what happens God loves you."

Or "Honey, you're just another bundle of atoms that came from a primordial soup, you evolved from monkeys and are really no better then an animal in that regard. You go have sex do what you want, in the end we are all simple and unimportant"

You say I blow it out of proportion, I challenge you to prove to me how Evolution does not say that. Why follow the rules if you're just the next step in a process that will go on without you? Why care if you came from Atoms, and will return to them?

... This is just the same argument over and over again.

death-chan wrote:... This is just the same argument over and over again.

And it bugs me that people don't seem to understand it the first 5 times.

I have yet to see grand contradicting arguments to what I have said. And I am going to keep waiting. There is none out there. I have searched over 50,000 articles most likely, and I have 3000 printed papers, and read dozens of books.

Evolutionists don't have it together.

Frankly Q, I'd rather tell my daughter that she's important to me and that I'll love her no matter what, that she should think about the consequences to her own life as well as the lives of those she loves.

Your choice presents it as either you love God and thus love humans, or you're an uncaring asshole with no regard to the well beings of others.

The reason to care regardless of religion or if we came from atoms or not is because you give a damn about other people and the people of the future. We may not be important in the grand scheme of things, but we're here and making life better for ourselves and our kind is something that you shouldn't need religion to tell you.

I'm gonna sound like a broken record here Q, but I'd like some of your sources, any of them. I provided one of mine and you immediately discredited it because it's name purveyed "a clear bias", I wonder how many of yours might be dismissed for the same reason.

Sado wrote:Frankly Q, I'd rather tell my daughter that she's important to me and that I'll love her no matter what, that she should think about the consequences to her own life as well as the lives of those she loves.

Your choice presents it as either you love God and thus love humans, or you're an uncaring asshole with no regard to the well beings of others.

The reason to care regardless of religion or if we came from atoms or not is because you give a damn about other people and the people of the future. We may not be important in the grand scheme of things, but we're here and making life better for ourselves and our kind is something that you shouldn't need religion to tell you.

Heh, religion doesn't tell you it all.

When you know Christ personally, you just know.

And I do present it that way, and do you honestly want to disbelieve me.

Tell me this Sado, is today better, is the World more caring then it was a few hundred years ago? Are people nicer?

Then again, I hate the philosophical side of this crap. I really do.

Science is so much easier to prove or disprove ^_^

religion is science, because it probably can be proved using science

but science is not religion

... i just confused myself

quater wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

quater wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Kazekage*Gaara wrote:I beleive evolution is a theory created by scientists to try and come up with an explanation for them not being able to take credit for creating the human race themselves. It does say God created the earth, and right now I stand by that point. But I suppose that is just my opinion. :] One out of so many.

God created everything, yes
but to my knowledge, evolution did happen

do you actually proof?
a actually full body of a all the specimens that humans evolved from to now would prove your poi nt otherwise, face it, it didn't happen

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it
I'm not saying the bible is wrong, though. I'm just saying humans have evolved from the early humanoids to who we are today. God created everything, and that seems to be common ground for us. So if I was an evolutionist, why am I saying I believe God created everything?

And no, it's not trying to please everyone. I don't really care if you're pleased or not. This is just something that makes the most sense to me

this

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it

contridicts
this

I'm not saying the bible is wrong

you can't say both
its like saying
I support Hitler's cause
but the americans are doing the right thing


its like saying i support good but i like doing sinful things better
you hypocrite how can you think your way is right?
were you the one who created the heavens and the earth?
NO
that was the Lord our father
were you the one who was and is and is to come?
No
that is our Lord
were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no
so don't say evolution happened, becausethe Bible says God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
and don't get started o this, oh but theres proof and such and such because you have no proof, because we have asked you already and you keep repeting the same words. How is that proof? We Disproved you and proved our sides, but yet you harden yourself.

I'm begining to see that you don't understand the whole point of any debate
and how is that a condriction? it's not. you CAN have both, you know. it's completely possible.

were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no

irrevalent fact

-------
so, it is very possible. how have you disproved evolution? I haven't seen that. It seems you don't want to believe that you can have creation and evolution at the same time. If God created everything, what stopped Him from creating the first early humans? How do we know that they were as we are today?

tell me can you have evil and good existing in the same place?
can you have peace and war in teh same place?

ok, seriously, why are you so opposed to the concept of evolution?

Because it takes away responsibility. And not only that, but it slaps the amazingness out of our God.

how?

Our God Said Seven days first off. He did not say, my friends, I made the World over a long period of time and slowly bit by bit I crafted you humans from the animals. Instead he said I spent a day, and I made you humans, in my own image.

That in itself says so much.

But, how does it take responsibility. Your daughter goes on her first date, what would your rather say to her? "Honey, you are special and made for a purpose, don't go mess it up, no matter what happens God loves you."

Or "Honey, you're just another bundle of atoms that came from a primordial soup, you evolved from monkeys and are really no better then an animal in that regard. You go have sex do what you want, in the end we are all simple and unimportant"

You say I blow it out of proportion, I challenge you to prove to me how Evolution does not say that. Why follow the rules if you're just the next step in a process that will go on without you? Why care if you came from Atoms, and will return to them?

without God, there would be nothing. Yes. And if we evolved, I'm pretty sure God still loves us.

In the bible, it says God calculates time in a different way we do. He is an infinite being, therefore He sees all, and puts it out on the table for us lowly humans. His "days" may be different than ours.

The body will, in the end, return to atoms, but the soul lives on, right? Everything is made up of atoms, and yeah, after we die, the world goes on. The "process" sure isn't going to stop for you, no matter how awesome you are. Creation, evolvution, whatever, time goes on.

what difference does it make if we evovled from early humans? I'd still say to my daughter "I love you, God loves you, make the choices you think are right in your heart"

And at this very moment, I can't prove evolvution, because, well, I'm not educated enough. But I haven't seen you disprove it

Sado wrote:I'm gonna sound like a broken record here Q, but I'd like some of your sources, any of them. I provided one of mine and you immediately discredited it because it's name purveyed "a clear bias", I wonder how many of yours might be dismissed for the same reason.

Huh? I read your article, and I didn't see honestly how it proved.

So that's why you are so hung up on sources. Trying to avenge that stupid article from ten eons ago? I didn't really think it mattered.

I would give articles, if I hadn't read so dang many. But I can toss you a book or two that were good for me. Read em, I suggest it.

God Created Darwin?

In 6 days, why 50 scientists choose to believe in Intelligent Design.

Creationism And Evolution, the largest Debate.

Darwin's black Box.

Origin, Adaptation

A few starters.

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

quater wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

quater wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Kazekage*Gaara wrote:I beleive evolution is a theory created by scientists to try and come up with an explanation for them not being able to take credit for creating the human race themselves. It does say God created the earth, and right now I stand by that point. But I suppose that is just my opinion. :] One out of so many.

God created everything, yes
but to my knowledge, evolution did happen

do you actually proof?
a actually full body of a all the specimens that humans evolved from to now would prove your poi nt otherwise, face it, it didn't happen

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it
I'm not saying the bible is wrong, though. I'm just saying humans have evolved from the early humanoids to who we are today. God created everything, and that seems to be common ground for us. So if I was an evolutionist, why am I saying I believe God created everything?

And no, it's not trying to please everyone. I don't really care if you're pleased or not. This is just something that makes the most sense to me

this

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it

contridicts
this

I'm not saying the bible is wrong

you can't say both
its like saying
I support Hitler's cause
but the americans are doing the right thing


its like saying i support good but i like doing sinful things better
you hypocrite how can you think your way is right?
were you the one who created the heavens and the earth?
NO
that was the Lord our father
were you the one who was and is and is to come?
No
that is our Lord
were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no
so don't say evolution happened, becausethe Bible says God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
and don't get started o this, oh but theres proof and such and such because you have no proof, because we have asked you already and you keep repeting the same words. How is that proof? We Disproved you and proved our sides, but yet you harden yourself.

I'm begining to see that you don't understand the whole point of any debate
and how is that a condriction? it's not. you CAN have both, you know. it's completely possible.

were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no

irrevalent fact

-------
so, it is very possible. how have you disproved evolution? I haven't seen that. It seems you don't want to believe that you can have creation and evolution at the same time. If God created everything, what stopped Him from creating the first early humans? How do we know that they were as we are today?

tell me can you have evil and good existing in the same place?
can you have peace and war in teh same place?

ok, seriously, why are you so opposed to the concept of evolution?

Because it takes away responsibility. And not only that, but it slaps the amazingness out of our God.

how?

Our God Said Seven days first off. He did not say, my friends, I made the World over a long period of time and slowly bit by bit I crafted you humans from the animals. Instead he said I spent a day, and I made you humans, in my own image.

That in itself says so much.

But, how does it take responsibility. Your daughter goes on her first date, what would your rather say to her? "Honey, you are special and made for a purpose, don't go mess it up, no matter what happens God loves you."

Or "Honey, you're just another bundle of atoms that came from a primordial soup, you evolved from monkeys and are really no better then an animal in that regard. You go have sex do what you want, in the end we are all simple and unimportant"

You say I blow it out of proportion, I challenge you to prove to me how Evolution does not say that. Why follow the rules if you're just the next step in a process that will go on without you? Why care if you came from Atoms, and will return to them?

without God, there would be nothing. Yes. And if we evolved, I'm pretty sure God still loves us.

In the bible, it says God calculates time in a different way we do. He is an infinite being, therefore He sees all, and puts it out on the table for us lowly humans. His "days" may be different than ours.

The body will, in the end, return to atoms, but the soul lives on, right? Everything is made up of atoms, and yeah, after we die, the world goes on. The "process" sure isn't going to stop for you, no matter how awesome you are. Creation, evolvution, whatever, time goes on.

what difference does it make if we evovled from early humans? I'd still say to my daughter "I love you, God loves you, make the choices you think are right in your heart"

And at this very moment, I can't prove evolvution, because, well, I'm not educated enough. But I haven't seen you disprove it

first off God is timeless
your wrong there
he is not in time, he created time

and why can't you prove evolution?
can you not prove the thing your so sure of?

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

quater wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

quater wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Kazekage*Gaara wrote:I beleive evolution is a theory created by scientists to try and come up with an explanation for them not being able to take credit for creating the human race themselves. It does say God created the earth, and right now I stand by that point. But I suppose that is just my opinion. :] One out of so many.

God created everything, yes
but to my knowledge, evolution did happen

do you actually proof?
a actually full body of a all the specimens that humans evolved from to now would prove your poi nt otherwise, face it, it didn't happen

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it
I'm not saying the bible is wrong, though. I'm just saying humans have evolved from the early humanoids to who we are today. God created everything, and that seems to be common ground for us. So if I was an evolutionist, why am I saying I believe God created everything?

And no, it's not trying to please everyone. I don't really care if you're pleased or not. This is just something that makes the most sense to me

this

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it

contridicts
this

I'm not saying the bible is wrong

you can't say both
its like saying
I support Hitler's cause
but the americans are doing the right thing


its like saying i support good but i like doing sinful things better
you hypocrite how can you think your way is right?
were you the one who created the heavens and the earth?
NO
that was the Lord our father
were you the one who was and is and is to come?
No
that is our Lord
were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no
so don't say evolution happened, becausethe Bible says God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
and don't get started o this, oh but theres proof and such and such because you have no proof, because we have asked you already and you keep repeting the same words. How is that proof? We Disproved you and proved our sides, but yet you harden yourself.

I'm begining to see that you don't understand the whole point of any debate
and how is that a condriction? it's not. you CAN have both, you know. it's completely possible.

were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no

irrevalent fact

-------
so, it is very possible. how have you disproved evolution? I haven't seen that. It seems you don't want to believe that you can have creation and evolution at the same time. If God created everything, what stopped Him from creating the first early humans? How do we know that they were as we are today?

tell me can you have evil and good existing in the same place?
can you have peace and war in teh same place?

ok, seriously, why are you so opposed to the concept of evolution?

Because it takes away responsibility. And not only that, but it slaps the amazingness out of our God.

how?

Our God Said Seven days first off. He did not say, my friends, I made the World over a long period of time and slowly bit by bit I crafted you humans from the animals. Instead he said I spent a day, and I made you humans, in my own image.

That in itself says so much.

But, how does it take responsibility. Your daughter goes on her first date, what would your rather say to her? "Honey, you are special and made for a purpose, don't go mess it up, no matter what happens God loves you."

Or "Honey, you're just another bundle of atoms that came from a primordial soup, you evolved from monkeys and are really no better then an animal in that regard. You go have sex do what you want, in the end we are all simple and unimportant"

You say I blow it out of proportion, I challenge you to prove to me how Evolution does not say that. Why follow the rules if you're just the next step in a process that will go on without you? Why care if you came from Atoms, and will return to them?

without God, there would be nothing. Yes. And if we evolved, I'm pretty sure God still loves us.

In the bible, it says God calculates time in a different way we do. He is an infinite being, therefore He sees all, and puts it out on the table for us lowly humans. His "days" may be different than ours.

The body will, in the end, return to atoms, but the soul lives on, right? Everything is made up of atoms, and yeah, after we die, the world goes on. The "process" sure isn't going to stop for you, no matter how awesome you are. Creation, evolvution, whatever, time goes on.

what difference does it make if we evovled from early humans? I'd still say to my daughter "I love you, God loves you, make the choices you think are right in your heart"

And at this very moment, I can't prove evolvution, because, well, I'm not educated enough. But I haven't seen you disprove it

I already disproved the Time Calculation belief. Don't go there again please.

And I have made about a 1000 points in this thread's time, none of them ever disproven. And I have made a thousand rebuts. Hard to stop and none ever full out told I was wrong.

Q, the way you present it essentially boils down to "without Jesus you can't be a good person," and that's something that's insulting to me on a personal level.

As for if the world is a better place or not, who knows, it might be or it might not. But I doubt that it's a worse place due soley to the acts of non-believers.

Furthermore, I stand by the fact that there has been nothing proven here, arguments have been presented but nothing established as undisputable.

Amaterasu wrote:genesis 1:1- In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
John
1:1-5 IN the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and hte
Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all
things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In
him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in
the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it

look at the underlined phrase for a second.
what it says in teh bible is that everything was made by god. If we evolved we did so by our own will because of our surroundings and stuff.
well that is not what it says in the bible.
and i will hold ground here until you can prove to me with my own evidence that i'm wrong. Don't say anything about me debating style. I have a different view on how debates should work and hwo battles should be fought, like a general surveing the grounds. I want you to prove with the bible that i am wrong, if you cannot do that the n evolution couldn't have happened

I really doubt when the bible was written, they focused on disproving evolvution. So yeah, with just the bible, I'd probably have dick all to go on. And even if I found something remotley plausible, it could be interperted and few different ways....
....and here we are back at square one, though I'm sure there is no square 2.
so God created everything, yes? YES! good! now, did God created everything as it is now? Maybe not! There are animals that are evolving, too!
and now I'm being kicked off the computer, but there are a certain type of birds who have evolved to better adapt to their environment. They used ot have curved beaks, but because the food was changing, the changed too! Over many generations, their beaks became straight, and therefore, more efficient in finding food.
and according to that underlined phrase, they should have died rather than evolve

Sado wrote:Q, the way you present it essentially boils down to "without Jesus you can't be a good person," and that's something that's insulting to me on a personal level.

As for if the world is a better place or not, who knows, it might be or it might not. But I doubt that it's a worse place due soley to the acts of non-believers.

Furthermore, I stand by the fact that there has been nothing proven here, arguments have been presented but nothing established as undisputable.

that's true, actually
this whole thing is faith, faith, 2% science, and interpertation based on one's beliefs
we're going no where, but I find this a good way to hone my debating skills ^^

Sado wrote:Q, the way you present it essentially boils down to "without Jesus you can't be a good person," and that's something that's insulting to me on a personal level.

As for if the world is a better place or not, who knows, it might be or it might not. But I doubt that it's a worse place due soley to the acts of non-believers.

Furthermore, I stand by the fact that there has been nothing proven here, arguments have been presented but nothing established as undisputable.

define good Sado
people cannot be good nor bad
we do good things and bad things
but the good actions and the bad actions don't cut each other out. If someone does a bad thing and tries to compensate by doing a good thing. THe bad thing is still there because the good thing is what should have been done in the first place
in the bible Jesus was called good teacher he re[plied by saying only God was good
how can we be good if God is good? doesn't that make us gods then?
well thats not the case, when adam and eve sinned against god years and years ago we were a sinful people (sin means missing the mark)
we are people who miss the mark set for us
But if we have jesus he will forgive our wrongs and start us anew

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:genesis 1:1- In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
John
1:1-5 IN the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and hte
Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all
things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In
him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in
the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it

look at the underlined phrase for a second.
what it says in teh bible is that everything was made by god. If we evolved we did so by our own will because of our surroundings and stuff.
well that is not what it says in the bible.
and i will hold ground here until you can prove to me with my own evidence that i'm wrong. Don't say anything about me debating style. I have a different view on how debates should work and hwo battles should be fought, like a general surveing the grounds. I want you to prove with the bible that i am wrong, if you cannot do that the n evolution couldn't have happened

I really doubt when the bible was written, they focused on disproving evolvution. So yeah, with just the bible, I'd probably have dick all to go on. And even if I found something remotley plausible, it could be interperted and few different ways....
....and here we are back at square one, though I'm sure there is no square 2.
so God created everything, yes? YES! good! now, did God created everything as it is now? Maybe not! There are animals that are evolving, too!
and now I'm being kicked off the computer, but there are a certain type of birds who have evolved to better adapt to their environment. They used ot have curved beaks, but because the food was changing, the changed too! Over many generations, their beaks became straight, and therefore, more efficient in finding food.
and according to that underlined phrase, they should have died rather than evolve

all that you just said was like fiddleling your fingers
we are not back at square one because you fail to answer my question
i'm still waiting and your avoiding it
why?
i want to know that
i want to know why you cna't prove me wrong
how come you try and escape it
if it didn't happen you shouldn't have to do it
the bible was written over thousands of years sabaku
it didn't fall out of the sky in teh middl;e of the desert and some half drunk guy picked it up
also the bible doesn't mention evolution what-so-ever
and i quote

and according to that underlined phrase, they should have died rather than evolve

according to the underlined phrase

Through him all
things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Q and sado tell me does sabaku's asnwer fit the underlined phrase at all?
the animals wouldn't have died. they wouldn't have been made
what your saying doesn't make since, your ignoring my question

Amaterasu wrote:

Titaniumxvx wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Titaniumxvx wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Titaniumxvx wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Kazekage*Gaara wrote:I beleive evolution is a theory created by scientists to try and come up with an explanation for them not being able to take credit for creating the human race themselves. It does say God created the earth, and right now I stand by that point. But I suppose that is just my opinion. :] One out of so many.

God created everything, yes
but to my knowledge, evolution did happen

do you actually proof?
a actually full body of a all the specimens that humans evolved from to now would prove your poi nt otherwise, face it, it didn't happen

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it
I'm not saying the bible is wrong, though. I'm just saying humans have evolved from the early humanoids to who we are today. God created everything, and that seems to be common ground for us. So if I was an evolutionist, why am I saying I believe God created everything?

And no, it's not trying to please everyone. I don't really care if you're pleased or not. This is just something that makes the most sense to me

this

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it

contridicts
this

I'm not saying the bible is wrong

you can't say both
its like saying
I support Hitler's cause
but the americans are doing the right thing


its like saying i support good but i like doing sinful things better
you hypocrite how can you think your way is right?
were you the one who created the heavens and the earth?
NO
that was the Lord our father
were you the one who was and is and is to come?
No
that is our Lord
were you the one who spoke to man and told them to write the bible, the word of god, that will not pass away even though the earth and the heavens will be burned up and replaced new ones?
no
so don't say evolution happened, becausethe Bible says God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
and don't get started o this, oh but theres proof and such and such because you have no proof, because we have asked you already and you keep repeting the same words. How is that proof? We Disproved you and proved our sides, but yet you harden yourself.

Give the girl time to think now..

haha
well she has a lot of time to think

No, because you keeping saying

WRONG!

WRONG!

WRONG! WRONG! I'm not going to contradict a word in the bible, how could I do that?

It's easy to tune out Science but Religion is a personal thing that steps into deeper territory.

Telling Evolutionists that they are wrong is not going to convert the strong-willed, hardy person. They'll keep fighting until people stop poking holes. Just Standing up for what they/we believe.

Don't hate on that. ^_^

first off
it does contridic because she says i belive the bible is right, but evolution happened. The bible doesn't say evolutioned happened, so she is contradicting herself. Just to let you know, you can be very religeous but not get to heaven. Religion is rules. A relantionship with Jesus, has no rules to apply by ( i mean like go to school or brush your teeth)
because when you accept Jesus into your heart, he becomes your friend and well you start a race (metaphorically of course)
everyone falls off the road into the ditch now and again, but we lkearn from that and we get stronger in faith and we won't make the same mistake again.

I don't see she how i am ignoring science since she never mentioned anything scientifical
now tell me doesn't this

God created everything

contradict or agree with this?

evolution did happen, and there's no way around it

seriously thats what she is saying

Is she Christian? I don't know her but maybe that's why. This point was brought up before that she was a theistic evolutionist. If you go back and find the definition of one, she is not contradicting views on the bible/evolution. And I'm sincerely sorry about that, I still have much to learn about Christianity. (Titan screws up another def. Put up Cardboard look-alike and throw the darts!) Thanks, despite it not insulting religion, I still don't want to insult it anyway, you know.
I was seriously scared for Sado's life when he asked about the bible being perfect. She's proven her point multiple times before this with Q, finding more scientific info now to appease you with,when relaxing, would only prove murderous to the mindset.

haha, i didn't understand a word of you
but thats ok
i really don't know what sabaku is either
so i'm not gonna pretend like I do
but I do know that the bible is true and it happened

I thought you knew her in real life.
And ok, I won't defy that but for you to bring the bible into this..

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Sado wrote:Q, the way you present it essentially boils down to "without Jesus you can't be a good person," and that's something that's insulting to me on a personal level.

As for if the world is a better place or not, who knows, it might be or it might not. But I doubt that it's a worse place due soley to the acts of non-believers.

Furthermore, I stand by the fact that there has been nothing proven here, arguments have been presented but nothing established as undisputable.

that's true, actually
this whole thing is faith, faith, 2% science, and interpertation based on one's beliefs
we're going no where, but I find this a good way to hone my debating skills ^^

Haha, 2 percent Science..

Titaniumxvx wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Sado wrote:Q, the way you present it essentially boils down to "without Jesus you can't be a good person," and that's something that's insulting to me on a personal level.

As for if the world is a better place or not, who knows, it might be or it might not. But I doubt that it's a worse place due soley to the acts of non-believers.

Furthermore, I stand by the fact that there has been nothing proven here, arguments have been presented but nothing established as undisputable.

that's true, actually
this whole thing is faith, faith, 2% science, and interpertation based on one's beliefs
we're going no where, but I find this a good way to hone my debating skills ^^

Haha, 2 percent Science..

Pardon my language.

But come on! How dare you tell us we are nothing but faith when you drove us there. I have used almost all science when it was science related. YOU ARE ASKING OPINION AND FAITH QUESTIONS! Why is evolution bad? THATS A FAITH QUESTION! NOT SCIENCE. How could it be Science? How could we possibly answer that Scientifically? Besides saying we believe it's wrong? How can you guys answer the question why is Intelligent Design bad without saying that you believe your science is right. That's opinion.

Ridiculous. Just ridiculous how you are acting. Bad you guys. Very Bad. I am astonished at the near sightedness. I mean really. Have you guys not seen it? Am I the only one who has watched you guys drive us more and more away from Science, and now you are congratulating your selves on it and belittling us?

It's not good at all my friends. Not good. You disappointed me actually.

quater wrote:

Titaniumxvx wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Sado wrote:Q, the way you present it essentially boils down to "without Jesus you can't be a good person," and that's something that's insulting to me on a personal level.

As for if the world is a better place or not, who knows, it might be or it might not. But I doubt that it's a worse place due soley to the acts of non-believers.

Furthermore, I stand by the fact that there has been nothing proven here, arguments have been presented but nothing established as undisputable.

that's true, actually
this whole thing is faith, faith, 2% science, and interpertation based on one's beliefs
we're going no where, but I find this a good way to hone my debating skills ^^

Haha, 2 percent Science..

Pardon my language.

But come on! How dare you tell us we are nothing but faith when you drove us there. I have used almost all science when it was science related. YOU ARE ASKING OPINION AND FAITH QUESTIONS! Why is evolution bad? THATS A FAITH QUESTION! NOT SCIENCE. How could it be Science? How could we possibly answer that Scientifically? Besides saying we believe it's wrong? How can you guys answer the question why is Intelligent Design bad without saying that you believe your science is right. That's opinion.

Ridiculous. Just ridiculous how you are acting. Bad you guys. Very Bad. I am astonished at the near sightedness. I mean really. Have you guys not seen it? Am I the only one who has watched you guys drive us more and more away from Science, and now you are congratulating your selves on it and belittling us?

It's not good at all my friends. Not good. You disappointed me actually.

The way you just said that like we planned this out made me laugh but not really so. Are you furious or indignant over this talk? Sure sounds that way.

I was going to ask you before, when you said you could scientifically prove int. design. I won't make you retype a thing you already said. But give me a pg. number? Intelligent design seems to make it's living over constantly tearing up evolutionary theories and not having a forward word for itself. You could ask me why is intelligent design bad/not something I believe in. I bet I could answer that somewhat scientifically.

Is that Scientific? No, not particularly. No Sir, why? Because we have to drag in the scientific stuff so you can find ways to disprove it. The only way you can prove intelligent design is in that way. Then, we can't disprove the bible so we call it faith. That's is not mocking, that's the way we see the way you're talking right now.

And as is my way, enjoy this, I found it amusing.