Creation Vs Evolution

I DON'T!

lol

*appears in*
Ehn.....
A debate...is here?

Hello Titanium. I am sure I know what side you would pick.

I already know you picked Evolution.

You are a liberal, and a tolerant monkey there is no way you didn't.

Titaniumxvx wrote:

Yeah, you're correct, there but I knew you would guess correctly but I won't be stupid and ask you...

Ask me?

Ask me what?

.about the poll, of course.

Oh ok.

I guess.

So why do you pick Evolution? Or do you want to just answer not debate. I can respect either.

I could answer if you could give your reasons, too.
I'm curious...

I don't necessarily understand those who discredit science or say that it doesn't prove anything.

To get technical, I believe that

The earth's surface was covered with volcanoes
The first living cells appeared
The first soft-bodied cretures appeared some 550 million years ago
The first creatures with skeletons appeared
And then the fish
The first land plants
And amphibians...

Do I have to continue?

Well here is the deal. The little known fact is Evolution isn't really science and we aren't discrediting Science. Ever Creationist who has half a wit about him in this debate uses science.

This isn't a Religion verse Science Debate it's a Science verse Science debate but evolutionist turn it into a debate against Religion because they know that it's easier to try and make us look like religious wackos then to back up their theory with proof.

Now that I have said that I shall start. I think I will go with the first cell it's a fun one.

Alright now I am sure you believed that the first cell began in a warm little pond am I right?

Wait....first: hold up for a second...

You're not bringing God creating lifeforms into this?...

I thought that was what was generally meant by creation.

Titaniumxvx wrote:Wait....first: hold up for a second...

You're not bringing God creating lifeforms into this?...

I thought that was what was generally meant by creation.

No.

I am going to explain why first cell couldn't have come up from a rock. Again I use science to disprove evolution not Religion. Creation is the belief of the World being designed instead of just exploding from randomness. It doesn't mean that I am going to bring religion here. Is it that hard to grasp?

exploding from randomness? Yeah, even I agree with that.
But that's giving no credit to evolution, whatsoever....

Fine, you're not bringing religion into this.
Do explain....

its kinda weird u guys kno how they say we come frm monkies so that meant GOD made adam and eve as monkies but they were in his vision so does that mean GOD is a gorilla???


im just trying to prove that evolution os blasthphemy

Titaniumxvx wrote:exploding from randomness? Yeah, even I agree with that.
But that's giving no credit to evolution, whatsoever....

Fine, you're not bringing religion into this.
Do explain....

Thanks for finally agreeing.

Alright here is the main problem. Let's say, that by chance all the atoms moving at millions of miles an hour did hit the combination. Now, it has been agreed this chance is something like 10 to the 27th power even if it had all of time. The closest to men in a lab have ever come is creating a few Amino acids which is basically like getting the chairs to a car without anything else and expecting to drive.

But there are two huge reasons this cannot work besides these two problems. First, where did the energy come from to work the cell? Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, and cells take a lot of energy to get it to do all the thing our little cell buddy can do.

Second the complexity of first cell is overwhelming. It has enough knowledge to fill the New York City Library in it's DNA. Originally Cells were seen as little plasma balls so the theory had some chance. But now that we are dealing with something so amazingly complex it is more miraculous that it happened by chance then a God created our little first Cell. The first cell came equipped with several organelles that automatically came fully functioning for the world. How on Earth could a cell that had never lived before know it needed both to get rid of the waste it created and also that it had to feed itself? Also that it would nanochip time everything that happened, that it could suddenly spontaneously reproduce into two cells through a several step process creating a complete clone, and that it could repair itself. All these functions are what keep a cell living and are only the basics and yet you would have us believe it could do it all on it's own with no help from a designer? And might I add, that without any of these processes no Cell could live very long. So it had to come to life fully assembled. For you see. Just like energy intelligence can not come from nothing, but must to be given by something.

Also the probability of Atoms forming even a plasma ball are now down to 0. They have atom accelerators where the simply shoot atoms around a room at 9 times their speed. And yet even though the same atoms in a cell are amplified 100 times their needed amount and shot at each other constantly scientists have never for even a split second have the atoms form anything even closely resemble even a single cell organelle. And yet nature created a cell all on it's own did it?

wow....lots of words.

but...I think I get what you're saying.....I must agree with you......on this part

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:wow....lots of words.

but...I think I get what you're saying.....I must agree with you......on this part

Pish this is just my intro.

..........I guess my reading quota will be filled for the day when you're done

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:..........I guess my reading quota will be filled for the day when you're done

More then likely

First, let me tell you....you type fast and so much....

You do say it couldn't have been created by chance but who is this designer?
You say this isn't a topic of religion yet is there any evidence that shows that it could be anything else than God...?

I am pretty sure that scientists can't explain how the first proteins came together to form something as complicated as a cell.

I have heard the first cells formed in the seas either borken up or melted to form the basis of a cell.

Is it not trusted that over time, it, by itself could have developed?

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:..........I guess my reading quota will be filled for the day when you're done

lol....He should write a book.....

he should!

i would read it....probably

Titaniumxvx wrote:First, let me tell you....you type fast and so much....

You do say it couldn't have been created by chance but who is this designer?
You say this isn't a topic of religion yet is there any evidence that shows that it could be anything else than God...?

I am pretty sure that scientists can't explain how the first proteins came together to form something as complicated as a cell.

I have heard the first cells formed in the seas either borken up or melted to form the basis of a cell.

Is it not trusted that over time, it, by itself could have developed?

See yet again you are trying to bring this into a debate on religion. But I brought nothing to the table but Science my man and Science is how Darwinism should be put to rest.

No Titan it isn't trusted. If Scientists and Science can't explain it then why are we even putting faith in anything that the theory holds. Every Evolution declares Cells are the first step yet if you can't even explain the first step why go a step further?

Time cannot create everything. Without the proper resources and a guiding hand that is. And are you telling me you would so rather reject the idea of creationism that you put your hope in time? Tell me this. If you sit at your couch with all the time in the world and never do anything will you get rich? Of course not that idea is silly (Lest you use wellfare) you will just damage yourself. The same goes for the idea a cell can come from nothing. If ya put all the materials out and ya give it plenty of time it wont come together unless someone says why hey this would make a quite a dandy cellphone.

Wow this is kinda unexpected. I was sure we would get past this step even if you just tried to change the subject which most people I argue this over do.

Titaniumxvx wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:..........I guess my reading quota will be filled for the day when you're done

lol....He should write a book.....

I easily could. I have a lot of knowledge on everything on this subject and have read several books myself ^_^