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    Post by sabaku no ketsueki Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:04

    quater wrote:
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    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:..........I guess my reading quota will be filled for the day when you're done

    lol....He should write a book.....

    I easily could. I have a lot of knowledge on everything on this subject and have read several books myself ^_^

    .......wow, you must be doing well in science

    note to self: science questions, ask Q
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    Post by Titaniumxvx Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:06

    quater wrote:
    Titaniumxvx wrote:First, let me tell you....you type fast and so much....

    You do say it couldn't have been created by chance but who is this designer?
    You say this isn't a topic of religion yet is there any evidence that shows that it could be anything else than God...?

    I am pretty sure that scientists can't explain how the first proteins came together to form something as complicated as a cell.

    I have heard the first cells formed in the seas either borken up or melted to form the basis of a cell.

    Is it not trusted that over time, it, by itself could have developed?

    See yet again you are trying to bring this into a debate on religion. But I brought nothing to the table but Science my man and Science is how Darwinism should be put to rest.

    No Titan it isn't trusted. If Scientists and Science can't explain it then why are we even putting faith in anything that the theory holds. Every Evolution declares Cells are the first step yet if you can't even explain the first step why go a step further?

    Time cannot create everything. Without the proper resources and a guiding hand that is. And are you telling me you would so rather reject the idea of creationism that you put your hope in time? Tell me this. If you sit at your couch with all the time in the world and never do anything will you get rich? Of course not that idea is silly (Lest you use wellfare) you will just damage yourself. The same goes for the idea a cell can come from nothing. If ya put all the materials out and ya give it plenty of time it wont come together unless someone says why hey this would make a quite a dandy cellphone.

    Wow this is kinda unexpected. I was sure we would get past this step even if you just tried to change the subject which most people I argue this over do.

    I'm not purposefully trying to drag this into religion.

    You tell me that in nature, it couldn't be so that a complex chemical structure as a cell could be formed.

    But, what other than God are you pointing to????
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    Post by quater Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:09

    Titaniumxvx wrote:
    quater wrote:
    Titaniumxvx wrote:First, let me tell you....you type fast and so much....

    You do say it couldn't have been created by chance but who is this designer?
    You say this isn't a topic of religion yet is there any evidence that shows that it could be anything else than God...?

    I am pretty sure that scientists can't explain how the first proteins came together to form something as complicated as a cell.

    I have heard the first cells formed in the seas either borken up or melted to form the basis of a cell.

    Is it not trusted that over time, it, by itself could have developed?

    See yet again you are trying to bring this into a debate on religion. But I brought nothing to the table but Science my man and Science is how Darwinism should be put to rest.

    No Titan it isn't trusted. If Scientists and Science can't explain it then why are we even putting faith in anything that the theory holds. Every Evolution declares Cells are the first step yet if you can't even explain the first step why go a step further?

    Time cannot create everything. Without the proper resources and a guiding hand that is. And are you telling me you would so rather reject the idea of creationism that you put your hope in time? Tell me this. If you sit at your couch with all the time in the world and never do anything will you get rich? Of course not that idea is silly (Lest you use wellfare) you will just damage yourself. The same goes for the idea a cell can come from nothing. If ya put all the materials out and ya give it plenty of time it wont come together unless someone says why hey this would make a quite a dandy cellphone.

    Wow this is kinda unexpected. I was sure we would get past this step even if you just tried to change the subject which most people I argue this over do.

    I'm not purposefully trying to drag this into religion.

    You tell me that in nature, it couldn't be so that a complex chemical structure as a cell could be formed.

    But, what other than God are you pointing to????

    Aye that is for you to decide. If you see no other answer then God then a God it must be. But this is and never should be a debate over theology. It should always be left to science to decide whether Darwinism has authenticity. But if you agree Nature couldn't of done it then you agree Creationism does have some validity. It, at least was able to answer that question of how first cell, and all cells are made. Something evolution lacks and that is a desperately important part of your theory.

    Next part please. What else would you like to bring to the table to debate here?
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    Post by sabaku no ketsueki Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:10

    THE DAYS!

    JK JK i think we tore that apart pretty good
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    Post by quater Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:11

    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:THE DAYS!

    JK JK i think we tore that apart pretty good

    We certainly did put it to rest...
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    Post by sabaku no ketsueki Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:13

    yeah....but seriously....um..
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    Post by Titaniumxvx Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:19

    I understand now. I apologize since I never got religion out of my head when I was listening to you.

    It was like....
    wait for it.... I bet Adam and Eve will be mentioned.

    I could kind of see how someone secular might always try and keep from believing that there might not be a designer to create these things but I guess I may be like that in thinking of time and the complex forces of nature to form such means of creating a cell or lifeform.

    A flm of proteins floating on the surface of the water may have broken up to form spheres of chemicals trapped inside....

    Cells could have formed around hot springs. The proteins may have melted together and then formed together to create cells as they cooled.

    In many ways, there is many a possibility and that is how I always can not think of a designer.

    So, that is my reasoning.
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    Post by Titaniumxvx Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:20

    quater wrote:
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    JK JK i think we tore that apart pretty good

    We certainly did put it to rest...

    Yep....

    .true.
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    Post by sabaku no ketsueki Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:21

    Titaniumxvx wrote:I understand now. I apologize since I never got religion out of my head when I was listening to you.

    It was like....
    wait for it.... I bet Adam and Eve will be mentioned.

    I could kind of see how someone secular might always try and keep from believing that there might not be a designer to create these things but I guess I may be like that in thinking of time and the complex forces of nature to form such means of creating a cell or lifeform.

    A flm of proteins floating on the surface of the water may have broken up to form spheres of chemicals trapped inside....

    Cells could have formed around hot springs. The proteins may have melted together and then formed together to create cells as they cooled.

    In many ways, there is many a possibility and that is how I always can not think of a designer.

    So, that is my reasoning.



    DON'T APOLOGIZE! NEVER IN A DEBATE! ESPECIALLY WITH Q!
    but w/e

    and, I think I see what you mean, too...but the first form of life must of had a designer of some sort....and i should stop talking about this
    moving on...
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    Post by Titaniumxvx Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:26

    I'm sorry!!!!!!!! I won';t do that ever again!!

    I'm sorry!!!!

    Yes.
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    Post by sabaku no ketsueki Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:26

    lol, s'all good
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    Post by quater Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:27

    Titaniumxvx wrote:I understand now. I apologize since I never got religion out of my head when I was listening to you.

    It was like....
    wait for it.... I bet Adam and Eve will be mentioned.

    I could kind of see how someone secular might always try and keep from believing that there might not be a designer to create these things but I guess I may be like that in thinking of time and the complex forces of nature to form such means of creating a cell or lifeform.

    A flm of proteins floating on the surface of the water may have broken up to form spheres of chemicals trapped inside....

    Cells could have formed around hot springs. The proteins may have melted together and then formed together to create cells as they cooled.

    In many ways, there is many a possibility and that is how I always can not think of a designer.

    So, that is my reasoning.

    I know. You and all evolutionists seem to believe that anyone who disagrees are always expecting something Biblical, for it is in your training, and I will admit it is how the media is always portraying it. But the truth is the debate is never and has never been one of creationism for I myself would never debate an atheist over anything about the Bible except it's validity. But I accept your apology and hope we now can get to the core of this deal.

    A film of Protiens floating on water, is not your best luck. For you see if it created a bubble, when the bubble popped, your cell would drown, because it would be formed in an oxygen zone and not used to that of an aqua zone.

    Hot Springs are hot, but no where near hot enough to melt atoms together. No scientist has ever really done it. You can melt Iron to a piece of wood all day but to combine several atoms into one, cell, that my friend, though a nice theory and idea, is just unpragmable (I think that is the right word).

    And even if you melt atoms together, or get them confined, or bubble them up, there is still no way an atom can form, with energy and intelligence that came from nothing. Something had to give it these two things regardless of how it came to be.
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    Post by quater Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:28

    Titaniumxvx wrote:I'm sorry!!!!!!!! I won';t do that ever again!!

    I'm sorry!!!!

    Yes.

    Which one? Why can't he apologize to me because he was using a rather admittedly annoying stereotype...
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    Post by Titaniumxvx Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:37

    quater wrote:
    Titaniumxvx wrote:I'm sorry!!!!!!!! I won';t do that ever again!!

    I'm sorry!!!!

    Yes.

    Which one? Why can't he apologize to me because he was using a rather admittedly annoying stereotype...

    She was telling me not to apologize to you so I was apologizing for apologizing to you.

    And yes, the religious stereo type was there.....
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    Post by quater Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:38

    Titaniumxvx wrote:
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    Titaniumxvx wrote:I'm sorry!!!!!!!! I won';t do that ever again!!

    I'm sorry!!!!

    Yes.

    Which one? Why can't he apologize to me because he was using a rather admittedly annoying stereotype...

    She was telling me not to apologize to you so I was apologizing for apologizing to you.

    And yes, the religious stereo type was there.....

    I know. Well until ya are ready to bring something new to the table, and I would be sure you are good and ready because like I said I have touched every subject and debated many, many smart kids on this subject we can call this friendly debate to a close if you would like.
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    Post by Titaniumxvx Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:39

    *peace sign*

    Until next time....
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    Post by sabaku no ketsueki Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:40

    wait....are you talking about creating atoms now? and to melt two atomes together, you need a hell of a lot more heat than hot springs
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    Post by sabaku no ketsueki Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:40

    oh snap, we've moved on

    nevermind! ^^
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    Post by quater Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:40

    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:wait....are you talking about creating atoms now? and to melt two atomes together, you need a hell of a lot more heat than hot springs

    I already hit those two.

    And yeah we know we are calling it to a close.
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    Post by sabaku no ketsueki Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:41

    sorry! i came too late! T_T
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    Post by Titaniumxvx Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:51

    Don't you just hate it when that happens....
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    Post by sabaku no ketsueki Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:53

    yes! Despair
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    Post by Titaniumxvx Sat Nov 03 2007, 15:59

    Kyahaha!!! That's life.
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    Post by sabaku no ketsueki Sat Nov 03 2007, 16:01

    yeah i know......I guess I'm just a loser by nature XD

    oh well
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    Post by Titaniumxvx Sat Nov 03 2007, 16:02

    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:yeah i know......I guess I'm just a loser by nature XD

    oh well
    uhhh.....
    Have good self esteem!!!

    Besides, everyone hates winners.

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