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    Post by KakashiHatake_roxs Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:16

    i am confused again!! Dazed
    And i think i tweaked my bad knee agian, not so bad that it hurts like hell, but it hurts. Despair
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    Post by quater Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:17

    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:
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    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:KashiHat: ha ha yeah I know that feeling. And no problemo buddeh!

    Q: She's a girl dude.

    Q again: Well still, you don't know what it's like to be president of the most powerful country do you? Hm? Yes you have to have first hand experience to know that true feeling, that's just how it goes.

    And as for emotions, because I CARE about people in Iraq who are getting killed for no reason. INNOCENT BYSTANDERS Q ARE GETTING KILLED IN IRAQ BY OUR BOMBS AND YOU EXPECT A HUMANITARIAN LIKE ME TO SIT AROUND AND DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? Sorry, had to get that out.

    And while we're on the topic of genocide, while we're splundering our money making weapons for a war, why aren't we helping other countries slightly? Hm? I mean, Bill Gates and Fall Out Boy have the right idea for donating their money. Why was it that the government didn't bat an eye about the Holocaust before Pearl Harbour was bombed, huh?

    Okay sorry that was irrevelant beyond belief. My bad, i got fired up.

    Actually, that is incorrect. Do you know who's bombs that are killing these innocent bystanders? Terrorists. It has been several years since many bombs have been laid on a city. And even then, casualties of innocents was lower than in any war of this scale in history. But as of late, as in the past 5 years, almost all casualties by bombs have come from one group. Terrorists. If we left, a genocide would have occurred. Would a humanitarian such as yourself preferred a genocide to stopping terrorists? I don't know. I for one think that it is a good thing we stopped a genocide. You can make your own call.

    I have no idea why Franklin D. Roosevelt ignored the Holocaust. Here is a question. Do you think killing of millions of people for no reason is bad? Do you? Did you know that Saddam Hussein gassed over a million of his own people, for no reason, by dropping deadly biological weapons on him. Are you aware that the country that stopped this, was America? If you are against the gassing of millions of jews, then surely the gassing of a million kurds by Saddam Hussein you would, as a humanitarian, find absolutely repulsive. Well, thanks to America, this was ended, and for the first time in who knows how long the Iraqi people have a right to speak in their government. You know that principle of "Rule for the people, by the people"? Well, now Iraqis enjoy these same freedoms. Who can they, and do they thank for that? America. And why? Because we didn't pull out troops when things got difficult but stayed and secured the country.

    And do you know what President gave the most to AIDS research? President Bush is the correct answer. African countries got 5 times more AIDS relief during his presidency. Didn't you say you wanted us to help more countries? Isn't that exactly what you wanted.

    But on the note of President Obama, he has a half brother in Kenya. And guess what? He is starving to death. No aid, not even for his own half brother. Change we can believe in.
    So what if he did? This isn't about Bush. And I do find it absolutely REPULSIVE that people were (and still are) being slain because of their race and because of greed around the world. It sickens me. It sickens me how evil people have become, and I want to do something about it. But why didn't we leave after it was secured, hm? So, why is he giving money that WE DON'T HAVE to AIDS research? We've been in the red for YEARS Q, and Bush didn't change that. In fact, I think we were in the black once for like a week back when Clinton was president. But don't go by me coz I don't know for sure. And it's exactly what I want. I want peace in troubled countries. Did you know that when Sierra Leone was in a civil war over diamonds that the diamond companies didn't do anything? I don't even think any country did anything until they realized that people were dying. Humans have been overcome with money and greed. This isn't what we were intended for.

    But whatever, I'm fighting a losing battle. I'm gonna shut up now.

    To answer the question why we didn't leave after it was secured, it has only been completely secured in very recent times. Not even a year or so. It was still overrun with terrorists. Baghdad couldn't be walked through safely. Now it is one of the safest cities in Iraq. That's why. And at the time President Bush gave the money, we had it. Actually, that's a lie. During President Bush's presidency we had a splendid economy. I don't know what your history teacher tells you, but anything contrary to that is a boldfaced lie. We weathered Clintonian Depression, dotcom bust, 9/11, and Hurricane Katrina economy attacks and came out financially fantastic. Only in October or so did things really start to drop. Only in November did they start to plummet. They weren't secure, but as of January of 08 things were doing well in everywhere but mortgages. I have absolutely NO idea what that Clinton comment was about. You really have a weak understanding of history, especially of economics. I don't blame you, I blame the education system we have. It is really harmful, as it makes even having a simple debate with me on history nearly impossible.

    All that stuff about greed, peace in troubled countries, has nothing to do with President Obama, or President Bush.
    Okay okay whatever. I'm not saying i agree with you but I can't understand half the things you're saying, which is why I said i'm fighting a losing battle, so I'm gonna shut up.

    It's not that you can't understand me, so much as they clash with your worldview that America and President Bush is the almighty Satan who ate our economy while President Obama is just a poor guy who is trying to fix things but it's tough and it's not his fault they got worse but at least he got us out of that dreaded propaganda trap that is Iraq.

    Something along those lines, I am guessing, is how you see the world?
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    Post by KakashiHatake_roxs Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:18

    I am so left out of the loop.
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    Post by quater Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:18

    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:
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    Exactly why I don't come to these threads #1 Always a threat to a kage that ends up in failure.
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    Exactly Abby!!! I've seen it happen before!!! I mean, DF got banned (I think, or something like that) remember??? Despair

    PeinQ we are now no longer talking.

    That was a completely, unbelievably different situation and after as many debates as we have had and how I have never threatened to even delete a post of yours, and as tolerant as WOTN is, I am overwhelmingly insulted you'd say that.
    WTH Q that wasn't even relevant! I was in fact saying that you were a nice guy. I just mentioned that i have seen someone get banned before because of a threat to a kage. You misunderstood me. i never said you did threaten to ban me, I just said that I was still here, so obviously you had never threatened to ban me or whatever.

    But listen, if I offended you, I'm sorry. That wasn't my intention.

    It looked by the way you said it "Df got banned" who I banned for a loooot of reasons, including ignoring several warnings. And you implied that due to some threat, I was gonna ban Kakashirox. Uncool.
    I was just telling her that threatening a kage turned out bad before, and I didn't want that to happen to her. Really Q, I called you a nice guy before that if you hadn't noticed. But whatever. If it really offended you, I'm deeply sorry. It wasn't my intention.

    That's not WHY DF got banned. Stop saying that. It's erronerous. Kage's have been threatened dozens of times. I know a kid said he'd get a shotgun and find me in jacksonville and shoot it through my face. I didn't ban him.

    DF got banned because of a host of reasons. And only one reason had to do with threatening a kage. And not just once. He threatened Death in PM's from his first day on WOTN, to his last. And still, that wouldn't have gotten him banned.

    So I would please ask you not to take everything DF says as gold. Because it's not.

    Edit: Yes, I see you said that. Do you not see how I got the implication I got?
    Well okay I'm sorry! Jeez just forget I freaking said ANYTHING okay? I'm having yet ANOTHER bad week and I'm stressed out because of it.

    But instead of talking to me like I always ask, you chose to debate me, lost, and are now frustrated with me, who as always, is defending himself and that is all.
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    Post by PeinQAkatsuki Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:19

    quater wrote:
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    quater wrote:
    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:
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    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:KashiHat: ha ha yeah I know that feeling. And no problemo buddeh!

    Q: She's a girl dude.

    Q again: Well still, you don't know what it's like to be president of the most powerful country do you? Hm? Yes you have to have first hand experience to know that true feeling, that's just how it goes.

    And as for emotions, because I CARE about people in Iraq who are getting killed for no reason. INNOCENT BYSTANDERS Q ARE GETTING KILLED IN IRAQ BY OUR BOMBS AND YOU EXPECT A HUMANITARIAN LIKE ME TO SIT AROUND AND DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? Sorry, had to get that out.

    And while we're on the topic of genocide, while we're splundering our money making weapons for a war, why aren't we helping other countries slightly? Hm? I mean, Bill Gates and Fall Out Boy have the right idea for donating their money. Why was it that the government didn't bat an eye about the Holocaust before Pearl Harbour was bombed, huh?

    Okay sorry that was irrevelant beyond belief. My bad, i got fired up.

    Actually, that is incorrect. Do you know who's bombs that are killing these innocent bystanders? Terrorists. It has been several years since many bombs have been laid on a city. And even then, casualties of innocents was lower than in any war of this scale in history. But as of late, as in the past 5 years, almost all casualties by bombs have come from one group. Terrorists. If we left, a genocide would have occurred. Would a humanitarian such as yourself preferred a genocide to stopping terrorists? I don't know. I for one think that it is a good thing we stopped a genocide. You can make your own call.

    I have no idea why Franklin D. Roosevelt ignored the Holocaust. Here is a question. Do you think killing of millions of people for no reason is bad? Do you? Did you know that Saddam Hussein gassed over a million of his own people, for no reason, by dropping deadly biological weapons on him. Are you aware that the country that stopped this, was America? If you are against the gassing of millions of jews, then surely the gassing of a million kurds by Saddam Hussein you would, as a humanitarian, find absolutely repulsive. Well, thanks to America, this was ended, and for the first time in who knows how long the Iraqi people have a right to speak in their government. You know that principle of "Rule for the people, by the people"? Well, now Iraqis enjoy these same freedoms. Who can they, and do they thank for that? America. And why? Because we didn't pull out troops when things got difficult but stayed and secured the country.

    And do you know what President gave the most to AIDS research? President Bush is the correct answer. African countries got 5 times more AIDS relief during his presidency. Didn't you say you wanted us to help more countries? Isn't that exactly what you wanted.

    But on the note of President Obama, he has a half brother in Kenya. And guess what? He is starving to death. No aid, not even for his own half brother. Change we can believe in.
    So what if he did? This isn't about Bush. And I do find it absolutely REPULSIVE that people were (and still are) being slain because of their race and because of greed around the world. It sickens me. It sickens me how evil people have become, and I want to do something about it. But why didn't we leave after it was secured, hm? So, why is he giving money that WE DON'T HAVE to AIDS research? We've been in the red for YEARS Q, and Bush didn't change that. In fact, I think we were in the black once for like a week back when Clinton was president. But don't go by me coz I don't know for sure. And it's exactly what I want. I want peace in troubled countries. Did you know that when Sierra Leone was in a civil war over diamonds that the diamond companies didn't do anything? I don't even think any country did anything until they realized that people were dying. Humans have been overcome with money and greed. This isn't what we were intended for.

    But whatever, I'm fighting a losing battle. I'm gonna shut up now.

    To answer the question why we didn't leave after it was secured, it has only been completely secured in very recent times. Not even a year or so. It was still overrun with terrorists. Baghdad couldn't be walked through safely. Now it is one of the safest cities in Iraq. That's why. And at the time President Bush gave the money, we had it. Actually, that's a lie. During President Bush's presidency we had a splendid economy. I don't know what your history teacher tells you, but anything contrary to that is a boldfaced lie. We weathered Clintonian Depression, dotcom bust, 9/11, and Hurricane Katrina economy attacks and came out financially fantastic. Only in October or so did things really start to drop. Only in November did they start to plummet. They weren't secure, but as of January of 08 things were doing well in everywhere but mortgages. I have absolutely NO idea what that Clinton comment was about. You really have a weak understanding of history, especially of economics. I don't blame you, I blame the education system we have. It is really harmful, as it makes even having a simple debate with me on history nearly impossible.

    All that stuff about greed, peace in troubled countries, has nothing to do with President Obama, or President Bush.
    Okay okay whatever. I'm not saying i agree with you but I can't understand half the things you're saying, which is why I said i'm fighting a losing battle, so I'm gonna shut up.

    It's not that you can't understand me, so much as they clash with your worldview that America and President Bush is the almighty Satan who ate our economy while President Obama is just a poor guy who is trying to fix things but it's tough and it's not his fault they got worse but at least he got us out of that dreaded propaganda trap that is Iraq.

    Something along those lines, I am guessing, is how you see the world?
    No it's not. I may not like Bush, but he wasn't a completely bad guy. Just, please, cut it out with the debate or whatever it was called. It's gone too far.

    I see the world as a cruel and wonderful place. I see it as a place that has to endure hardships every day and we can't stop them. I see it being very beautiful also.
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    Post by KakashiHatake_roxs Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:20

    Will someone talk to me!!!
    Or i am leaving to go watch NCIS!
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    Post by PeinQAkatsuki Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:20

    quater wrote:
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    quater wrote:
    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:
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    Always-Abby wrote:-pops in for a second-
    Exactly why I don't come to these threads #1 Always a threat to a kage that ends up in failure.
    -pops back out-
    Exactly Abby!!! I've seen it happen before!!! I mean, DF got banned (I think, or something like that) remember??? Despair

    PeinQ we are now no longer talking.

    That was a completely, unbelievably different situation and after as many debates as we have had and how I have never threatened to even delete a post of yours, and as tolerant as WOTN is, I am overwhelmingly insulted you'd say that.
    WTH Q that wasn't even relevant! I was in fact saying that you were a nice guy. I just mentioned that i have seen someone get banned before because of a threat to a kage. You misunderstood me. i never said you did threaten to ban me, I just said that I was still here, so obviously you had never threatened to ban me or whatever.

    But listen, if I offended you, I'm sorry. That wasn't my intention.

    It looked by the way you said it "Df got banned" who I banned for a loooot of reasons, including ignoring several warnings. And you implied that due to some threat, I was gonna ban Kakashirox. Uncool.
    I was just telling her that threatening a kage turned out bad before, and I didn't want that to happen to her. Really Q, I called you a nice guy before that if you hadn't noticed. But whatever. If it really offended you, I'm deeply sorry. It wasn't my intention.

    That's not WHY DF got banned. Stop saying that. It's erronerous. Kage's have been threatened dozens of times. I know a kid said he'd get a shotgun and find me in jacksonville and shoot it through my face. I didn't ban him.

    DF got banned because of a host of reasons. And only one reason had to do with threatening a kage. And not just once. He threatened Death in PM's from his first day on WOTN, to his last. And still, that wouldn't have gotten him banned.

    So I would please ask you not to take everything DF says as gold. Because it's not.

    Edit: Yes, I see you said that. Do you not see how I got the implication I got?
    Well okay I'm sorry! Jeez just forget I freaking said ANYTHING okay? I'm having yet ANOTHER bad week and I'm stressed out because of it.

    But instead of talking to me like I always ask, you chose to debate me, lost, and are now frustrated with me, who as always, is defending himself and that is all.
    I know I just didn't want to bug you is all. I didn't think it would really get this far, but I guess it did. Really, I just thought it was petty drama and I didn't want to bug you. Honest. If I would have know what it was, rather than what I thought it was, I would have come to you to talk.

    EDIT: Actually, really I just get frustrated and then forget that you're there to talk to.
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    Post by quater Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:22

    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:
    quater wrote:
    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:
    quater wrote:
    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:
    quater wrote:
    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:KashiHat: ha ha yeah I know that feeling. And no problemo buddeh!

    Q: She's a girl dude.

    Q again: Well still, you don't know what it's like to be president of the most powerful country do you? Hm? Yes you have to have first hand experience to know that true feeling, that's just how it goes.

    And as for emotions, because I CARE about people in Iraq who are getting killed for no reason. INNOCENT BYSTANDERS Q ARE GETTING KILLED IN IRAQ BY OUR BOMBS AND YOU EXPECT A HUMANITARIAN LIKE ME TO SIT AROUND AND DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? Sorry, had to get that out.

    And while we're on the topic of genocide, while we're splundering our money making weapons for a war, why aren't we helping other countries slightly? Hm? I mean, Bill Gates and Fall Out Boy have the right idea for donating their money. Why was it that the government didn't bat an eye about the Holocaust before Pearl Harbour was bombed, huh?

    Okay sorry that was irrevelant beyond belief. My bad, i got fired up.

    Actually, that is incorrect. Do you know who's bombs that are killing these innocent bystanders? Terrorists. It has been several years since many bombs have been laid on a city. And even then, casualties of innocents was lower than in any war of this scale in history. But as of late, as in the past 5 years, almost all casualties by bombs have come from one group. Terrorists. If we left, a genocide would have occurred. Would a humanitarian such as yourself preferred a genocide to stopping terrorists? I don't know. I for one think that it is a good thing we stopped a genocide. You can make your own call.

    I have no idea why Franklin D. Roosevelt ignored the Holocaust. Here is a question. Do you think killing of millions of people for no reason is bad? Do you? Did you know that Saddam Hussein gassed over a million of his own people, for no reason, by dropping deadly biological weapons on him. Are you aware that the country that stopped this, was America? If you are against the gassing of millions of jews, then surely the gassing of a million kurds by Saddam Hussein you would, as a humanitarian, find absolutely repulsive. Well, thanks to America, this was ended, and for the first time in who knows how long the Iraqi people have a right to speak in their government. You know that principle of "Rule for the people, by the people"? Well, now Iraqis enjoy these same freedoms. Who can they, and do they thank for that? America. And why? Because we didn't pull out troops when things got difficult but stayed and secured the country.

    And do you know what President gave the most to AIDS research? President Bush is the correct answer. African countries got 5 times more AIDS relief during his presidency. Didn't you say you wanted us to help more countries? Isn't that exactly what you wanted.

    But on the note of President Obama, he has a half brother in Kenya. And guess what? He is starving to death. No aid, not even for his own half brother. Change we can believe in.
    So what if he did? This isn't about Bush. And I do find it absolutely REPULSIVE that people were (and still are) being slain because of their race and because of greed around the world. It sickens me. It sickens me how evil people have become, and I want to do something about it. But why didn't we leave after it was secured, hm? So, why is he giving money that WE DON'T HAVE to AIDS research? We've been in the red for YEARS Q, and Bush didn't change that. In fact, I think we were in the black once for like a week back when Clinton was president. But don't go by me coz I don't know for sure. And it's exactly what I want. I want peace in troubled countries. Did you know that when Sierra Leone was in a civil war over diamonds that the diamond companies didn't do anything? I don't even think any country did anything until they realized that people were dying. Humans have been overcome with money and greed. This isn't what we were intended for.

    But whatever, I'm fighting a losing battle. I'm gonna shut up now.

    To answer the question why we didn't leave after it was secured, it has only been completely secured in very recent times. Not even a year or so. It was still overrun with terrorists. Baghdad couldn't be walked through safely. Now it is one of the safest cities in Iraq. That's why. And at the time President Bush gave the money, we had it. Actually, that's a lie. During President Bush's presidency we had a splendid economy. I don't know what your history teacher tells you, but anything contrary to that is a boldfaced lie. We weathered Clintonian Depression, dotcom bust, 9/11, and Hurricane Katrina economy attacks and came out financially fantastic. Only in October or so did things really start to drop. Only in November did they start to plummet. They weren't secure, but as of January of 08 things were doing well in everywhere but mortgages. I have absolutely NO idea what that Clinton comment was about. You really have a weak understanding of history, especially of economics. I don't blame you, I blame the education system we have. It is really harmful, as it makes even having a simple debate with me on history nearly impossible.

    All that stuff about greed, peace in troubled countries, has nothing to do with President Obama, or President Bush.
    Okay okay whatever. I'm not saying i agree with you but I can't understand half the things you're saying, which is why I said i'm fighting a losing battle, so I'm gonna shut up.

    It's not that you can't understand me, so much as they clash with your worldview that America and President Bush is the almighty Satan who ate our economy while President Obama is just a poor guy who is trying to fix things but it's tough and it's not his fault they got worse but at least he got us out of that dreaded propaganda trap that is Iraq.

    Something along those lines, I am guessing, is how you see the world?
    No it's not. I may not like Bush, but he wasn't a completely bad guy. Just, please, cut it out with the debate or whatever it was called. It's gone too far.

    I see the world as a cruel and wonderful place. I see it as a place that has to endure hardships every day and we can't stop them. I see it being very beautiful also.

    I again, am just defending my beliefs. But I am done. You asked questioned, I answered them. That is all.
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    Post by PeinQAkatsuki Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:23

    quater wrote:
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    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:
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    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:KashiHat: ha ha yeah I know that feeling. And no problemo buddeh!

    Q: She's a girl dude.

    Q again: Well still, you don't know what it's like to be president of the most powerful country do you? Hm? Yes you have to have first hand experience to know that true feeling, that's just how it goes.

    And as for emotions, because I CARE about people in Iraq who are getting killed for no reason. INNOCENT BYSTANDERS Q ARE GETTING KILLED IN IRAQ BY OUR BOMBS AND YOU EXPECT A HUMANITARIAN LIKE ME TO SIT AROUND AND DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? Sorry, had to get that out.

    And while we're on the topic of genocide, while we're splundering our money making weapons for a war, why aren't we helping other countries slightly? Hm? I mean, Bill Gates and Fall Out Boy have the right idea for donating their money. Why was it that the government didn't bat an eye about the Holocaust before Pearl Harbour was bombed, huh?

    Okay sorry that was irrevelant beyond belief. My bad, i got fired up.

    Actually, that is incorrect. Do you know who's bombs that are killing these innocent bystanders? Terrorists. It has been several years since many bombs have been laid on a city. And even then, casualties of innocents was lower than in any war of this scale in history. But as of late, as in the past 5 years, almost all casualties by bombs have come from one group. Terrorists. If we left, a genocide would have occurred. Would a humanitarian such as yourself preferred a genocide to stopping terrorists? I don't know. I for one think that it is a good thing we stopped a genocide. You can make your own call.

    I have no idea why Franklin D. Roosevelt ignored the Holocaust. Here is a question. Do you think killing of millions of people for no reason is bad? Do you? Did you know that Saddam Hussein gassed over a million of his own people, for no reason, by dropping deadly biological weapons on him. Are you aware that the country that stopped this, was America? If you are against the gassing of millions of jews, then surely the gassing of a million kurds by Saddam Hussein you would, as a humanitarian, find absolutely repulsive. Well, thanks to America, this was ended, and for the first time in who knows how long the Iraqi people have a right to speak in their government. You know that principle of "Rule for the people, by the people"? Well, now Iraqis enjoy these same freedoms. Who can they, and do they thank for that? America. And why? Because we didn't pull out troops when things got difficult but stayed and secured the country.

    And do you know what President gave the most to AIDS research? President Bush is the correct answer. African countries got 5 times more AIDS relief during his presidency. Didn't you say you wanted us to help more countries? Isn't that exactly what you wanted.

    But on the note of President Obama, he has a half brother in Kenya. And guess what? He is starving to death. No aid, not even for his own half brother. Change we can believe in.
    So what if he did? This isn't about Bush. And I do find it absolutely REPULSIVE that people were (and still are) being slain because of their race and because of greed around the world. It sickens me. It sickens me how evil people have become, and I want to do something about it. But why didn't we leave after it was secured, hm? So, why is he giving money that WE DON'T HAVE to AIDS research? We've been in the red for YEARS Q, and Bush didn't change that. In fact, I think we were in the black once for like a week back when Clinton was president. But don't go by me coz I don't know for sure. And it's exactly what I want. I want peace in troubled countries. Did you know that when Sierra Leone was in a civil war over diamonds that the diamond companies didn't do anything? I don't even think any country did anything until they realized that people were dying. Humans have been overcome with money and greed. This isn't what we were intended for.

    But whatever, I'm fighting a losing battle. I'm gonna shut up now.

    To answer the question why we didn't leave after it was secured, it has only been completely secured in very recent times. Not even a year or so. It was still overrun with terrorists. Baghdad couldn't be walked through safely. Now it is one of the safest cities in Iraq. That's why. And at the time President Bush gave the money, we had it. Actually, that's a lie. During President Bush's presidency we had a splendid economy. I don't know what your history teacher tells you, but anything contrary to that is a boldfaced lie. We weathered Clintonian Depression, dotcom bust, 9/11, and Hurricane Katrina economy attacks and came out financially fantastic. Only in October or so did things really start to drop. Only in November did they start to plummet. They weren't secure, but as of January of 08 things were doing well in everywhere but mortgages. I have absolutely NO idea what that Clinton comment was about. You really have a weak understanding of history, especially of economics. I don't blame you, I blame the education system we have. It is really harmful, as it makes even having a simple debate with me on history nearly impossible.

    All that stuff about greed, peace in troubled countries, has nothing to do with President Obama, or President Bush.
    Okay okay whatever. I'm not saying i agree with you but I can't understand half the things you're saying, which is why I said i'm fighting a losing battle, so I'm gonna shut up.

    It's not that you can't understand me, so much as they clash with your worldview that America and President Bush is the almighty Satan who ate our economy while President Obama is just a poor guy who is trying to fix things but it's tough and it's not his fault they got worse but at least he got us out of that dreaded propaganda trap that is Iraq.

    Something along those lines, I am guessing, is how you see the world?
    No it's not. I may not like Bush, but he wasn't a completely bad guy. Just, please, cut it out with the debate or whatever it was called. It's gone too far.

    I see the world as a cruel and wonderful place. I see it as a place that has to endure hardships every day and we can't stop them. I see it being very beautiful also.

    I again, am just defending my beliefs. But I am done. You asked questioned, I answered them. That is all.
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    Post by quater Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:24

    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:
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    Always-Abby wrote:-pops in for a second-
    Exactly why I don't come to these threads #1 Always a threat to a kage that ends up in failure.
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    Exactly Abby!!! I've seen it happen before!!! I mean, DF got banned (I think, or something like that) remember??? Despair

    PeinQ we are now no longer talking.

    That was a completely, unbelievably different situation and after as many debates as we have had and how I have never threatened to even delete a post of yours, and as tolerant as WOTN is, I am overwhelmingly insulted you'd say that.
    WTH Q that wasn't even relevant! I was in fact saying that you were a nice guy. I just mentioned that i have seen someone get banned before because of a threat to a kage. You misunderstood me. i never said you did threaten to ban me, I just said that I was still here, so obviously you had never threatened to ban me or whatever.

    But listen, if I offended you, I'm sorry. That wasn't my intention.

    It looked by the way you said it "Df got banned" who I banned for a loooot of reasons, including ignoring several warnings. And you implied that due to some threat, I was gonna ban Kakashirox. Uncool.
    I was just telling her that threatening a kage turned out bad before, and I didn't want that to happen to her. Really Q, I called you a nice guy before that if you hadn't noticed. But whatever. If it really offended you, I'm deeply sorry. It wasn't my intention.

    That's not WHY DF got banned. Stop saying that. It's erronerous. Kage's have been threatened dozens of times. I know a kid said he'd get a shotgun and find me in jacksonville and shoot it through my face. I didn't ban him.

    DF got banned because of a host of reasons. And only one reason had to do with threatening a kage. And not just once. He threatened Death in PM's from his first day on WOTN, to his last. And still, that wouldn't have gotten him banned.

    So I would please ask you not to take everything DF says as gold. Because it's not.

    Edit: Yes, I see you said that. Do you not see how I got the implication I got?
    Well okay I'm sorry! Jeez just forget I freaking said ANYTHING okay? I'm having yet ANOTHER bad week and I'm stressed out because of it.

    But instead of talking to me like I always ask, you chose to debate me, lost, and are now frustrated with me, who as always, is defending himself and that is all.
    I know I just didn't want to bug you is all. I didn't think it would really get this far, but I guess it did. Really, I just thought it was petty drama and I didn't want to bug you. Honest. If I would have know what it was, rather than what I thought it was, I would have come to you to talk.

    EDIT: Actually, really I just get frustrated and then forget that you're there to talk to.

    It's okay. But don't get so upset I am just debating you.
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    Post by PeinQAkatsuki Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:25

    quater wrote:
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    Exactly why I don't come to these threads #1 Always a threat to a kage that ends up in failure.
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    Exactly Abby!!! I've seen it happen before!!! I mean, DF got banned (I think, or something like that) remember??? Despair

    PeinQ we are now no longer talking.

    That was a completely, unbelievably different situation and after as many debates as we have had and how I have never threatened to even delete a post of yours, and as tolerant as WOTN is, I am overwhelmingly insulted you'd say that.
    WTH Q that wasn't even relevant! I was in fact saying that you were a nice guy. I just mentioned that i have seen someone get banned before because of a threat to a kage. You misunderstood me. i never said you did threaten to ban me, I just said that I was still here, so obviously you had never threatened to ban me or whatever.

    But listen, if I offended you, I'm sorry. That wasn't my intention.

    It looked by the way you said it "Df got banned" who I banned for a loooot of reasons, including ignoring several warnings. And you implied that due to some threat, I was gonna ban Kakashirox. Uncool.
    I was just telling her that threatening a kage turned out bad before, and I didn't want that to happen to her. Really Q, I called you a nice guy before that if you hadn't noticed. But whatever. If it really offended you, I'm deeply sorry. It wasn't my intention.

    That's not WHY DF got banned. Stop saying that. It's erronerous. Kage's have been threatened dozens of times. I know a kid said he'd get a shotgun and find me in jacksonville and shoot it through my face. I didn't ban him.

    DF got banned because of a host of reasons. And only one reason had to do with threatening a kage. And not just once. He threatened Death in PM's from his first day on WOTN, to his last. And still, that wouldn't have gotten him banned.

    So I would please ask you not to take everything DF says as gold. Because it's not.

    Edit: Yes, I see you said that. Do you not see how I got the implication I got?
    Well okay I'm sorry! Jeez just forget I freaking said ANYTHING okay? I'm having yet ANOTHER bad week and I'm stressed out because of it.

    But instead of talking to me like I always ask, you chose to debate me, lost, and are now frustrated with me, who as always, is defending himself and that is all.
    I know I just didn't want to bug you is all. I didn't think it would really get this far, but I guess it did. Really, I just thought it was petty drama and I didn't want to bug you. Honest. If I would have know what it was, rather than what I thought it was, I would have come to you to talk.

    EDIT: Actually, really I just get frustrated and then forget that you're there to talk to.

    It's okay. But don't get so upset I am just debating you.
    I know, it's just this week has been one of the tougher ones, and I was angry, upset, and frustrated even though I didn't want to admit it.
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    Post by quater Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:26

    Cool. Glad this is over.
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    Post by PeinQAkatsuki Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:28

    Yeah.

    I think I got to go. See ya.
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:38

    PeinQAkatsuki wrote:
    quater wrote:Arguably President Obama is a rockstar who became President. No experience, no true skills to speak of, but gosh darn it he was popular and a "brilliant" (if you can stay awake I suppose) orator. The world's biggest celebrity President. He may not have much abilities and be beholden to crazy ideologues, but gosh darn it he sure seems swell.

    The true power of the United States is divided among 3 branches, the senate being half of Congress, which is one branch.

    Edit: Ah, I lied. Technically, the true power of America resides in it's people.

    And it seems that someone has figured out how to perfectly pull the strings of the people to get them to act exactly how they would like.
    Exactly, but see Q, what you said about America's true power resides in it's citizens is absolutely true. So, all of what happens to America isn't Obama's fault. The theory of government for us is to be ruled for the people, by the people. People have the right to make changes in America, therefore not making the president completely liable for things that go wrong.

    French Philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau theory right there in action. Oh Yeah!

    But I do't know if I agree with him
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    If you think running the most powerful country in the world is EASY you've got stuff coming for ya Q-buddy.

    Arguably Chine is the most powerful country in the world, they ahve an army of 200 million soldiers, and over 1 billion people although India will soon pass their population in the next decade at the rate they're going.
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:51

    May I add that the only reason that George W. Bush is NOT in prison right now for war crimes against humanity is because the senate has not passed that international criminal court of Justice declaration in the U.S.A.
    If they did, countries such as Iraq would bring Bush to the international Criminal Court and have Bush behind bars for bringing false evidence against Iraq into the UN and saying they bomb them in 2001. Only Britain bought it and they tried passing military action against Iraq through the Security Council but it was vetoed. Still Bush pushed and basically said your for us or against us. And broke international law attacking another country, instigating a conflict and breaking the Security Council's declaration to do nothing. Basically U.S.A. invaded Iraq on false pretenses and broke many international laws and George Bush can be put up as a dictator like Stalin or Hitler, for going into other countries and killing innocent people.
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    Post by TheFirstKnight Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:53

    oh man, so many things to refute, so little time.
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    Post by quater Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:54

    amaterasu wrote:May I add that the only reason that George W. Bush is NOT in prison right now for war crimes against humanity is because the senate has not passed that international criminal court of Justice declaration in the U.S.A.
    If they did, countries such as Iraq would bring Bush to the international Criminal Court and have Bush behind bars for bringing false evidence against Iraq into the UN and saying they bomb them in 2001. Only Britain bought it and they tried passing military action against Iraq through the Security Council but it was vetoed. Still Bush pushed and basically said your for us or against us. And broke international law attacking another country, instigating a conflict and breaking the Security Council's declaration to do nothing. Basically U.S.A. invaded Iraq on false pretenses and broke many international laws and George Bush can be put up as a dictator like Stalin or Hitler, for going into other countries and killing innocent people.

    Were you born this stupid, or was it something that arose during time?

    Honestly this one post is so outlandish I couldn't even begin to respond.
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    quater wrote:
    amaterasu wrote:May I add that the only reason that George W. Bush is NOT in prison right now for war crimes against humanity is because the senate has not passed that international criminal court of Justice declaration in the U.S.A.
    If they did, countries such as Iraq would bring Bush to the international Criminal Court and have Bush behind bars for bringing false evidence against Iraq into the UN and saying they bomb them in 2001. Only Britain bought it and they tried passing military action against Iraq through the Security Council but it was vetoed. Still Bush pushed and basically said your for us or against us. And broke international law attacking another country, instigating a conflict and breaking the Security Council's declaration to do nothing. Basically U.S.A. invaded Iraq on false pretenses and broke many international laws and George Bush can be put up as a dictator like Stalin or Hitler, for going into other countries and killing innocent people.

    Were you born this stupid, or was it something that arose during time?

    Honestly this one post is so outlandish I couldn't even begin to respond.

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    amaterasu wrote:
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    amaterasu wrote:May I add that the only reason that George W. Bush is NOT in prison right now for war crimes against humanity is because the senate has not passed that international criminal court of Justice declaration in the U.S.A.
    If they did, countries such as Iraq would bring Bush to the international Criminal Court and have Bush behind bars for bringing false evidence against Iraq into the UN and saying they bomb them in 2001. Only Britain bought it and they tried passing military action against Iraq through the Security Council but it was vetoed. Still Bush pushed and basically said your for us or against us. And broke international law attacking another country, instigating a conflict and breaking the Security Council's declaration to do nothing. Basically U.S.A. invaded Iraq on false pretenses and broke many international laws and George Bush can be put up as a dictator like Stalin or Hitler, for going into other countries and killing innocent people.

    Were you born this stupid, or was it something that arose during time?

    Honestly this one post is so outlandish I couldn't even begin to respond.

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    Post by KakashiHatake_roxs Wed Mar 04 2009, 23:59

    Hi Ho!! I am back!!
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    Post by KakashiHatake_roxs Thu Mar 05 2009, 00:01

    I think i will leave if no one is going to speak to me!!
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    Post by quater Thu Mar 05 2009, 00:02

    This thread has been a very interesting trainwreck. Love it.
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    quater wrote:
    amaterasu wrote:
    quater wrote:
    amaterasu wrote:May I add that the only reason that George W. Bush is NOT in prison right now for war crimes against humanity is because the senate has not passed that international criminal court of Justice declaration in the U.S.A.
    If they did, countries such as Iraq would bring Bush to the international Criminal Court and have Bush behind bars for bringing false evidence against Iraq into the UN and saying they bomb them in 2001. Only Britain bought it and they tried passing military action against Iraq through the Security Council but it was vetoed. Still Bush pushed and basically said your for us or against us. And broke international law attacking another country, instigating a conflict and breaking the Security Council's declaration to do nothing. Basically U.S.A. invaded Iraq on false pretenses and broke many international laws and George Bush can be put up as a dictator like Stalin or Hitler, for going into other countries and killing innocent people.

    Were you born this stupid, or was it something that arose during time?

    Honestly this one post is so outlandish I couldn't even begin to respond.

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    Actually it means you're so wrong that one has to worry about your sanity.

    I will only say that my sanity means nothing to me, and all that I am hinges on foolishness, so I guess most people would say I am wrong about many things, doesn't mean I am though, Truth is not relative.
    Also this economic fall is cause by the evil in the hearts of people of America
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    KakashiHatake_roxs wrote:Hi Ho!! I am back!!

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