Creation Vs Evolution

question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

why would he go to heaven?
he never did any good

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

why would he go to heaven?
he never did any good

Because the baby never willingly sinned. If a person dies in infancy, they are not sent to hell because they cannot yet understand the concept of evil, God, etc. Now, if the woman had been unsaved she would deffinetly go to hell.

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

why would he go to heaven?
he never did any good

Because the baby never willingly sinned. If a person dies in infancy, they are not sent to hell because they cannot yet understand the concept of evil, God, etc. Now, if the woman had been unsaved she would deffinetly go to hell.

but the baby never accepted Jesus into its heart
isn't that the only way to get to heaven?
even if someone is a good person b ut doesn't accept jesus into their hearts, does that mean their going to heaven?

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

why would he go to heaven?
he never did any good

Because the baby never willingly sinned. If a person dies in infancy, they are not sent to hell because they cannot yet understand the concept of evil, God, etc. Now, if the woman had been unsaved she would deffinetly go to hell.

but the baby never accepted Jesus into its heart
isn't that the only way to get to heaven?
even if someone is a good person b ut doesn't accept jesus into their hearts, does that mean their going to heaven?

Mmm...good question. There was a bible verse on this somewhere...I wish I could remember where. Excuse me while I go look for it.

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

why would he go to heaven?
he never did any good

Because the baby never willingly sinned. If a person dies in infancy, they are not sent to hell because they cannot yet understand the concept of evil, God, etc. Now, if the woman had been unsaved she would deffinetly go to hell.

but the baby never accepted Jesus into its heart
isn't that the only way to get to heaven?
even if someone is a good person b ut doesn't accept jesus into their hearts, does that mean their going to heaven?

Mmm...good question. There was a bible verse on this somewhere...I wish I could remember where. Excuse me while I go look for it.

i remember reading the verse you might be thinking of
but there is no way we could say for sure that the baby is going to heaven or hell
only God can be the judge of that
and most likely he would never let it happen anyway

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

why would he go to heaven?
he never did any good

Because the baby never willingly sinned. If a person dies in infancy, they are not sent to hell because they cannot yet understand the concept of evil, God, etc. Now, if the woman had been unsaved she would deffinetly go to hell.

but the baby never accepted Jesus into its heart
isn't that the only way to get to heaven?
even if someone is a good person b ut doesn't accept jesus into their hearts, does that mean their going to heaven?

Mmm...good question. There was a bible verse on this somewhere...I wish I could remember where. Excuse me while I go look for it.

i remember reading the verse you might be thinking of
but there is no way we could say for sure that the baby is going to heaven or hell
only God can be the judge of that
and most likely he would never let it happen anyway

We got into a discussion in church a couple nights ago on this- the pastor said if an infant dies in a mother's womb, it would go to heaven because, even though it is a sinner, is has not sinned, since sin cannot be passed on from the parents.

Do you remember what chapter the verse was?

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

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Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

why would he go to heaven?
he never did any good

Because the baby never willingly sinned. If a person dies in infancy, they are not sent to hell because they cannot yet understand the concept of evil, God, etc. Now, if the woman had been unsaved she would deffinetly go to hell.

but the baby never accepted Jesus into its heart
isn't that the only way to get to heaven?
even if someone is a good person b ut doesn't accept jesus into their hearts, does that mean their going to heaven?

Mmm...good question. There was a bible verse on this somewhere...I wish I could remember where. Excuse me while I go look for it.

i remember reading the verse you might be thinking of
but there is no way we could say for sure that the baby is going to heaven or hell
only God can be the judge of that
and most likely he would never let it happen anyway

We got into a discussion in church a couple nights ago on this- the pastor said if an infant dies in a mother's womb, it would go to heaven because, even though it is a sinner, is has not sinned, since sin cannot be passed on from the parents.

Do you remember what chapter the verse was?

no, idea where the verse was found
anyway
how can someone be a sinner and not have sinned?

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

why would he go to heaven?
he never did any good

Because the baby never willingly sinned. If a person dies in infancy, they are not sent to hell because they cannot yet understand the concept of evil, God, etc. Now, if the woman had been unsaved she would deffinetly go to hell.

but the baby never accepted Jesus into its heart
isn't that the only way to get to heaven?
even if someone is a good person b ut doesn't accept jesus into their hearts, does that mean their going to heaven?

Mmm...good question. There was a bible verse on this somewhere...I wish I could remember where. Excuse me while I go look for it.

i remember reading the verse you might be thinking of
but there is no way we could say for sure that the baby is going to heaven or hell
only God can be the judge of that
and most likely he would never let it happen anyway

We got into a discussion in church a couple nights ago on this- the pastor said if an infant dies in a mother's womb, it would go to heaven because, even though it is a sinner, is has not sinned, since sin cannot be passed on from the parents.

Do you remember what chapter the verse was?

no, idea where the verse was found
anyway
how can someone be a sinner and not have sinned?

1 Corinthians 14:20 is the closest verse I could find to the topic at hand...though I'm pretty sure I've read that verse before. It refers to being like infants in regards to evil, which supports the idea that we are innocent before a certain age. As to how someone can be a sinner without having said...I'd have to ask my pastor about that. Can I get back to you on that one next week? Also, sometimes God takes life away in an act of mercy. If a Christian is unable to do work for Him, He will sometimes call them home early. Perhaps the death of an infant is the same kind of mercy- the baby perhaps would have grown up not-saved and gone to hell otherwise.

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

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Aichu wrote:

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Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

why would he go to heaven?
he never did any good

Because the baby never willingly sinned. If a person dies in infancy, they are not sent to hell because they cannot yet understand the concept of evil, God, etc. Now, if the woman had been unsaved she would deffinetly go to hell.

but the baby never accepted Jesus into its heart
isn't that the only way to get to heaven?
even if someone is a good person b ut doesn't accept jesus into their hearts, does that mean their going to heaven?

Mmm...good question. There was a bible verse on this somewhere...I wish I could remember where. Excuse me while I go look for it.

i remember reading the verse you might be thinking of
but there is no way we could say for sure that the baby is going to heaven or hell
only God can be the judge of that
and most likely he would never let it happen anyway

We got into a discussion in church a couple nights ago on this- the pastor said if an infant dies in a mother's womb, it would go to heaven because, even though it is a sinner, is has not sinned, since sin cannot be passed on from the parents.

Do you remember what chapter the verse was?

no, idea where the verse was found
anyway
how can someone be a sinner and not have sinned?

1 Corinthians 14:20 is the closest verse I could find to the topic at hand...though I'm pretty sure I've read that verse before. It refers to being like infants in regards to evil, which supports the idea that we are innocent before a certain age. As to how someone can be a sinner without having said...I'd have to ask my pastor about that. Can I get back to you on that one next week? Also, sometimes God takes life away in an act of mercy. If a Christian is unable to do work for Him, He will sometimes call them home early. Perhaps the death of an infant is the same kind of mercy- the baby perhaps would have grown up not-saved and gone to hell otherwise.

my answer is that i have no idea what woul;d happen to the baby, because God is the only one who decides for him
he may be judged but he may just never allow it to happen

better question

meet Bob
Bob is 36 years old
Bob has never done anything bad
nor anything good in his life
infact he has done nothing at all
why?
because when Bob was born he was taaken away for science. Put into a chambre and had all his five senses taken away from him (sight, smell, touch, taste, and hearing)
for 36 years he has never felt, tasted, smelled, heared, nor saw anything.
he is a vegetable human

one day Bob dies
does Bob go to heaven or Hell?

actually
this has happened to at least one human and plenty of cats and rats and other mammals

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

why would he go to heaven?
he never did any good

Because the baby never willingly sinned. If a person dies in infancy, they are not sent to hell because they cannot yet understand the concept of evil, God, etc. Now, if the woman had been unsaved she would deffinetly go to hell.

but the baby never accepted Jesus into its heart
isn't that the only way to get to heaven?
even if someone is a good person b ut doesn't accept jesus into their hearts, does that mean their going to heaven?

Mmm...good question. There was a bible verse on this somewhere...I wish I could remember where. Excuse me while I go look for it.

i remember reading the verse you might be thinking of
but there is no way we could say for sure that the baby is going to heaven or hell
only God can be the judge of that
and most likely he would never let it happen anyway

We got into a discussion in church a couple nights ago on this- the pastor said if an infant dies in a mother's womb, it would go to heaven because, even though it is a sinner, is has not sinned, since sin cannot be passed on from the parents.

Do you remember what chapter the verse was?

no, idea where the verse was found
anyway
how can someone be a sinner and not have sinned?

1 Corinthians 14:20 is the closest verse I could find to the topic at hand...though I'm pretty sure I've read that verse before. It refers to being like infants in regards to evil, which supports the idea that we are innocent before a certain age. As to how someone can be a sinner without having said...I'd have to ask my pastor about that. Can I get back to you on that one next week? Also, sometimes God takes life away in an act of mercy. If a Christian is unable to do work for Him, He will sometimes call them home early. Perhaps the death of an infant is the same kind of mercy- the baby perhaps would have grown up not-saved and gone to hell otherwise.

my answer is that i have no idea what woul;d happen to the baby, because God is the only one who decides for him
he may be judged but he may just never allow it to happen

That's true. Sometimes I have to remind myself everything is for his glory.

I'm glad you asked that question, by the way.

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:

Aichu wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:question to all

if there is a mother giving birth in some deset island
they are the only animals (including insects) on the island
the mother dies giving birth, then a few minutes later the baby dies
(it has done no good or no wrong)
does it go to heaven or hell?

The baby would go to heaven. However, I have a feeling this is a trick question

why would he go to heaven?
he never did any good

Because the baby never willingly sinned. If a person dies in infancy, they are not sent to hell because they cannot yet understand the concept of evil, God, etc. Now, if the woman had been unsaved she would deffinetly go to hell.

but the baby never accepted Jesus into its heart
isn't that the only way to get to heaven?
even if someone is a good person b ut doesn't accept jesus into their hearts, does that mean their going to heaven?

Mmm...good question. There was a bible verse on this somewhere...I wish I could remember where. Excuse me while I go look for it.

i remember reading the verse you might be thinking of
but there is no way we could say for sure that the baby is going to heaven or hell
only God can be the judge of that
and most likely he would never let it happen anyway

We got into a discussion in church a couple nights ago on this- the pastor said if an infant dies in a mother's womb, it would go to heaven because, even though it is a sinner, is has not sinned, since sin cannot be passed on from the parents.

Do you remember what chapter the verse was?

no, idea where the verse was found
anyway
how can someone be a sinner and not have sinned?

1 Corinthians 14:20 is the closest verse I could find to the topic at hand...though I'm pretty sure I've read that verse before. It refers to being like infants in regards to evil, which supports the idea that we are innocent before a certain age. As to how someone can be a sinner without having said...I'd have to ask my pastor about that. Can I get back to you on that one next week? Also, sometimes God takes life away in an act of mercy. If a Christian is unable to do work for Him, He will sometimes call them home early. Perhaps the death of an infant is the same kind of mercy- the baby perhaps would have grown up not-saved and gone to hell otherwise.

my answer is that i have no idea what woul;d happen to the baby, because God is the only one who decides for him
he may be judged but he may just never allow it to happen

That's true. Sometimes I have to remind myself everything is for his glory.

I'm glad you asked that question, by the way.

it came up in a convo i had friday

Amaterasu wrote:better question

meet Bob
Bob is 36 years old
Bob has never done anything bad
nor anything good in his life
infact he has done nothing at all
why?
because when Bob was born he was taaken away for science. Put into a chambre and had all his five senses taken away from him (sight, smell, touch, taste, and hearing)
for 36 years he has never felt, tasted, smelled, heared, nor saw anything.
he is a vegetable human

one day Bob dies
does Bob go to heaven or Hell?

ahaha, indeed, a good question.
well...if he were to go to either one, I think it would be heaven, for if he has done nothing wrong, or even nothing at all, technically he has not fallen from Grace....I don't think. Well, maybe....no, I don't think so, actually.
so yeah, my bet's on heaven

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:better question

meet Bob
Bob is 36 years old
Bob has never done anything bad
nor anything good in his life
infact he has done nothing at all
why?
because when Bob was born he was taaken away for science. Put into a chambre and had all his five senses taken away from him (sight, smell, touch, taste, and hearing)
for 36 years he has never felt, tasted, smelled, heared, nor saw anything.
he is a vegetable human

one day Bob dies
does Bob go to heaven or Hell?

ahaha, indeed, a good question.
well...if he were to go to either one, I think it would be heaven, for if he has done nothing wrong, or even nothing at all, technically he has not fallen from Grace....I don't think. Well, maybe....no, I don't think so, actually.
so yeah, my bet's on heaven

thats a better answer
now i had this asked to me
and the answer we worked out was that we can have no idea because no God knows and when we get to heaven we, I, will ask him that question

Amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

Amaterasu wrote:better question

meet Bob
Bob is 36 years old
Bob has never done anything bad
nor anything good in his life
infact he has done nothing at all
why?
because when Bob was born he was taaken away for science. Put into a chambre and had all his five senses taken away from him (sight, smell, touch, taste, and hearing)
for 36 years he has never felt, tasted, smelled, heared, nor saw anything.
he is a vegetable human

one day Bob dies
does Bob go to heaven or Hell?

ahaha, indeed, a good question.
well...if he were to go to either one, I think it would be heaven, for if he has done nothing wrong, or even nothing at all, technically he has not fallen from Grace....I don't think. Well, maybe....no, I don't think so, actually.
so yeah, my bet's on heaven

thats a better answer
now i had this asked to me
and the answer we worked out was that we can have no idea because no God knows and when we get to heaven we, I, will ask him that question

You do that ^^
cause you're right too, I think. We don't know how He judges people

compelling stuff

My answer to both of the questions are : neither, since I belive heaven and hell is something created by humans.

indeed....but isnt everything created by humans?

I think so, in one way or another. For me god is a someone who people can belive in when they need something to belive in, and someone to blame stuff on when things go bad. I really can understand why people chooses to belive in god and Jesus, even if I never will.

the fact of religion practices believing in a god.....tends other ppl to look up towards a higher being tht can forgive yuo of your sins

exactly, and it makes them feel like they can do almost anything, baxuse they will be forgiven anyway.

but how are you forgiven if you dont believe in god....there is no one to forgive you...which means everyone who believes in god....doe sit for a reason