Yondaime = Akatsuki Leader?

hey think of it this way. Obito supposely died, in Kakashi's story. However Tobi is Obito so.. who knows 4th hokage still could be alive, and he could be Paine the Akatsuki leader!!^^ Just a theory though...

Yeah I really hope not.

People 4th is dead get over it. Sorry but I just don't see him coming back being a good story.

me neither

if he didn't die why would he serve Tobi or obito or whatever. He would come back to Konoha

i kno like wtf he cant be alive
i doubt it

it says in the first page of the manga and its pein not the Yondaime(hes dead get over it)hokage

Here here!

Naruto has several conspiracies.

4th is alive and is really Naruto's father but he is alive in the Akatsuki.

Tobi runs Akatsuki and is really head of the Akatsuki.

Zabuza was cool.

Etc.

quater wrote:He isn't.

Madara isn't using Obito's body I highly doubt it. Because if Orochimaru knew that he wouldn't have left the Akatsuki knowing that Madara had the key to Immortality. He learned his jutsus all on his own and as far as we know he is the only one who did that type of thing.


Obito = Tobi!

Quit fighting it kids.

Tobi is not Obito. Don't we all know that Tobi is Madara Uchiha?-(not to mention the true mastermind behind the Akatsuki)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
:P

j0$3© wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
:P

Are you saying 'no' to me?

how about this for a theory. Naruto is really the Fourth. The Fourth sealed Kyuubi inside of himself and in doing so reincarnated himself into a baby. dun dun DUN!!!!

SoshiKusanagi wrote:how about this for a theory. Naruto is really the Fourth. The Fourth sealed Kyuubi inside of himself and in doing so reincarnated himself into a baby. dun dun DUN!!!!

Whoa...never thought of that....It seems pretty unlikely, though. I just noticed that Naruto had 6 whiskers on his face which representss he will be the 6th hokage.

it does look like him but im pretty sure thats not him.

Never in a Million years will the fourth Hokage turn out to be anybody in the anime / Manga (except himself of course)

He is long dead, and his soul is chillin' with the First, and second Hokages in the death god's stomach.

I agree with silver, but my friend posed that theory. I felt in the least it deserved conversation if not concideration. It's not likely that orochimaru could have summoned the Fourth if he actually was Naruto reincarnated. Though it was a failed attempt, It most likely would have succeeded if not for the thirds intervention. Plus, it's stated that the woman pregnant with naruto had her life sacrificed so that he could be born. This is a condition for the birth of a jinchur...damn, how was that spelled. I'm too lazy to go find it at the moment, but you know what I mean.

Most likely the Fourth sacrificed his life and his lover's life, and sealed kyuubi into his unborn son's body. The evidence is not just the similarity of their appearances, but also their affinity for the same techniques. While Naruto lacks his father's uncanny brilliance, he has managed to truly master the rasengen, which not even his father was able to do. By this I mean the creation of the Fuuton Rasenshurikan. Again excuse any spelling errors. It's late and I'm not feeling fussy.

Naruto's mastery of the summoning jutsu is also of note. To date, we only know of three ninja to ever summon the boss frog. Erro Sannin or the perverted hermit, the Fourth Hokage, and now Naruto. The Fourth more than likely was a master of the shadow clone jutsu, though we do not know whether he used it as much as Naruto.

The funny thing is we're likely never to have concrete answers to any of these questions. Most likely the Fourth is Naruto's daddy, but we may never know for sure. Not unless the author feels it will be relevant to the story. He might be content to let us wonder forever. If thats his choice I'm fine with it. We couldn't have these discussions if every thing was always cut and dry.

SilverLegionare wrote:Never in a Million years will the fourth Hokage turn out to be anybody in the anime / Manga (except himself of course)

He is long dead, and his soul is chillin' with the First, and second Hokages in the death god's stomach.

I agree with you, definitely.

Yuri-san wrote:quater don't say others peoples theories are stupid...that's not nice. And besides none of us know what goes on inside Misashi Kishimoto's mind. And also as Yondaime said, it's not her theory it's a friend

-Yuri-san, there's no need into getting into an arguement about this. I'll repeat what I said:

Yondaime wrote:Good point, but since it ain't my theory, it ain't my problem.

I don't care whether people agree with me or not over a theory that I simply did not make up. I couldn't care less what others thought about it. Sure, I was mad at first, especially when quater said it was a "stupid theory" but then I realized 'Why should I care over a theory that isn't mine?' But if that was my theory, then I would do something about it but since it ain't why should I care? Late reply, yes I know. But moving takes time people. D:

And if I sound like a complete b****, then I'm sorry but that's just how I am.

good saying.
i'll go with the manga mainly i don't know

Tobi is not Madara Uchiha he is Clearly Obito Titan. Oh and No Tobi can't be the true mastermind Of the akatsuki since he JUST JOINED IT! He wasn't even in the thing when we first read about it so how the flip can he be the mastermind? Show me some proof please that leads to a conclusion that he is the mastermind. Oh also remember when everyone thought Tobi was dead and the leader was like yeah Tobi is gone but even sadder yet we lost deidara. He didn't even care Tobi was dead and if he was the mastermind behind it I think he would care that he had died.

Also the 4th is not Naruto's father. Naruto looks like the 4th because he got him sealed inside of him. Has anyone noticed that he can call upon the powers of the fox sealed in him. If he can do this isn't it possible that he might also be able to call upon the powers of the sealer inside of him? And if somehow the 4th was stronger maybe it's coming out in his physical characteristics? I know this kinda goes with the reincarnation theory a tad but still.

First point-I think chapter 364 and it showed Tobi adressing himself as Madara Uchiha. I disagree with him being Obito. Obito is dead....
Here is wikipedia's exact words, "After Deidara's death, Tobi is revealed giving Pein orders, and he refers to himself as Madara Uchiha."

Second Point: I definitely agree with that.

:P lol Q is right
or not maybe well find out soon enough

Tobi definatly is the mastermind behind the Akatsuki. You can't argue with that, but he did not come out and say he was Uchiha Madara. He refered to his power as that of Uchiha Madara's.
Also I hadn't thought of that Q. That possibly the fourth sealed himself along with the fox inside naruto...I still say the Fourth was his father. Its the more likely conclusion.

We know he sealed himself alongside it because the third sealed himself in with Orochimaru's arms. And remember when that other guy who trains with Naruto (Not Kakashi but the other one everyone hates) told Naruto "Quit relying on the fox inside of you there is an even greater power hidden there" could be reffering to the 4th again.

Look I have read that scene over and over. The two members were saying 4th you got to go get Naruto and one was Tobi. But HE DIDN"T SAY I AM UCHIHA MADARA! I am through with this.

SoshiKusanagi wrote:I still say the Fourth was his father. Its the more likely conclusion.

Yea I thought that too man, it would have made sense because Yondaime had chosen his kid, unless Naruto appeared out of thin air and they look so much alike I wouldn't be suprised at all.. But Q you make a strong point too bro... I dunno

I had the idea Pein was the leader/mastermind... it's jus the way he acts yanno...

Thanks

My theory is a pretty strong one and if you disagree with the him being a son I think it's the best next one.

But Naruto really isn't a son related show. This would be the first real time in the plot that a father was shown as important to the main story.