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    Post by theBOSS. Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:03

    Amaterasu wrote:
    quater wrote:
    Amaterasu wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:basically, yeah
    it's "the best of both worlds", I suppose you could say

    When God created bread for the people of Israel in the Desert, did he do it slowly? When God fed the 5000 did he make the break evolve? When God does things, he doesn't do it slowly he can do things instantly.

    Why on Earth, would God want to do it over millions of years? HE said he did it in 7 days, because he was setting up the first human calendar week and he did it in 7 days. Honestly, it's a simple book to get, but it's so critical don't water it down with this "Best of both world's stuff" because you don't want to offend anyone, and don't believe it.

    I'm just saying how it's a little bit of creation and evolution mixed into one, like scientific proof and religion

    and no, He didn't feed the 5000 people slowly, but didn't the egyptians set up the calendar, anyways?
    Moses said "7 days" but how do we know if it really was 7 days? What about the dinosaurs? Did they appear then die within a 24 hour period?
    no evolution is kinda weird and i'm not saying its a bit of both at all, it might be that teh homo-hibilis.erectus were god shaping us but we will never know
    as for the calendar it was 7 days, it wasn't 7 years or he would have said 7 days. the dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible in the ld testement actually and the new-testement for a matter of fact.

    Or God made us as Homo Sapians. Problem with Homo Hillbillies is that there is no evidence of fossils that show evolution from the hillbilly to Man today. I haved looked everywhere but everytime there is it's "A tooth" Manmade, or it's just a regular one smashed in by a rock.

    Scientists have even Said that Pig ears were part of a human Skull. In reality they have no clue. People wonder why America is behind in Science maybe because we spend all our time trying to Prove God wrong and we are failing?

    ah thats true
    and thats why i will never go into archeologie
    That's because nowadays, in this world of knowing everything, we expect an answer to everything. In my opinion, anyways.
    Being in the dark, and not knowing, I think we can't tolerate that
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    Post by quater Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:03

    Banouin wrote:
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    Banouin wrote:
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    Banouin wrote:
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    Kurokumo wrote:Nobody's perfect, Q-sama! Not even God. If God was perfect, then we wouldn't have Bush on this planet! (Okay, THAT was mean... I'm sorry...)
    And besides, if we have a God that's perfect, I'd hate him. I'm against perfectionism.... Hence the reason I believe that... I'm sorry...
    ^-^ Is something wrong with you today, Q-sama? You seem to be acting... Out of character, no offense... I'm sorry...

    ____________________________________________________
    I just thought of the weirdest thing... If I was the Migrant Village of the Sun's Kage...
    Kurokumo... means black cloud...
    ...Do you or do you not see that irony?!

    Are you kidding? JESUS IS PERFECT! That's the whole point of Salvation.

    Make fun of President Bush again I dare ya.

    I am fine but I am a debator.

    Um Q Jesus was a MAN, In no way was he, We As MAN are not perfect, yes he is a good guy and did alot of things, But in no way Do i think he was perfect. Only God Was

    God made Jesus. He is God in flesh. He was the perfect man. It's basically the whole point of the Bible. We as men do fail, but since he is God in Man's flesh, he was percfect, and resisted the urge to sin something we could never do so we could have a way to the father.

    And just as He was made of God, So are we. How can you say that he was he was a man just like all of us, he did fail and still do and yes he was sent to so we would have a way to god. But in all his time you cant say he did nothing wrong. God made him a man, as he did with us, When he did die for us it made it so even if we do sin we do have a way to God.
    '

    Here's the catch. We are made between man and woman. He was born of a Virgin. Thus his father is heavenly, unlike ours.

    Yes I can. He says it, and name one thing he has done wrong? Just because it's unbelievable, it's the point. And yes, he made a way. But point to me one wrong.

    There are many yrs of his life that go untold Q..(I think) in all that Time can you say he did nothing bad? yes ok you got we are mad of man and woman. but even if so he was mad of a woman as well, in that he is Man as well and can sin. Idk if he DID i can pick that out of anywhere and where did it say that? bible? Plz The bible was in the hands of MAN When made, How much of it is 100% right?

    Alright.

    Yes, he can sin. But He didn't.

    And the Bible was written by men who watched him. It's why the 4 accounts differ here and there men wrote it and it's not perfect. But it was written by people that were there. And it's validated by not only other historical literature, and events but also in it's sheer volume all correlating. So yeah. The Bible is good for me. You think you could change the Bible? Ha. To many manuscripts to have to change. Not to mention every prophecy in the Bible has either come true or still can. In all of the hundreds in there not one has been proven wrong. That's pretty heavy. It's more infintesmal chances then Evolution.
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    Post by theBOSS. Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:04

    TheFirstKnight wrote:oh, and I generally stay away from debates that deal with beliefs and feelings and all that stuff. I stick to topics that have cold hard facts.
    Lol, that sounds like you tfk
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    Post by quater Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:04

    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
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    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
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    Kurokumo wrote:HOLD IT!! WHY THE HELL ARE WE HAVING A FLIPPING DEBATE ABOUT THIS, ANYWAYS?! WTF?! BESIDES,EVERYONE IS FLIPPING ENTITLED TO THIER OWN OPINIONS!! Q-KUN, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT!!
    BESIDES, WHO CARES IF SOMEONE BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION!! WHO CARES IF GOD IS PERFECT?! WE HAVE A FREAKING LIFE, PEOPLE!! TALK SBOUT SOMETHING IMPOTANT!! MOVE ON FROM THIS SUBJECT!! HOLY FREAKING CRAP!!
    ...Huff... Huff... I guess you can say I'm annoyed... Ahahaha... Sorry...

    what you need to realize, dearest Kuro, is that when debating with Q, be prepared to yell at the computer, smash your head against a wall, then answer in a calm, cool manner

    You make me sound like I am an idiot who can't understand basic concepts. But if it makes you feel better I usually want to do the same at my compute to you guys too ^_^

    naw, I mean your arguements are usually pretty damn good, so I know I need to take a minute to try to counter them

    If you people quit disagreeing with me in the first place it'd just make things alot easier on both ends I think.

    yeah, but that would be giving in to your beliefs and saying mine are wrong
    and I'm sorry, but I'm just not that kind of person.

    I don't lose much, so chances are you will anyway. ^_^ Poor Kurokumo.
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    Post by theBOSS. Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:05

    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    Kurokumo wrote:HOLD IT!! WHY THE HELL ARE WE HAVING A FLIPPING DEBATE ABOUT THIS, ANYWAYS?! WTF?! BESIDES,EVERYONE IS FLIPPING ENTITLED TO THIER OWN OPINIONS!! Q-KUN, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT!!
    BESIDES, WHO CARES IF SOMEONE BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION!! WHO CARES IF GOD IS PERFECT?! WE HAVE A FREAKING LIFE, PEOPLE!! TALK SBOUT SOMETHING IMPOTANT!! MOVE ON FROM THIS SUBJECT!! HOLY FREAKING CRAP!!
    ...Huff... Huff... I guess you can say I'm annoyed... Ahahaha... Sorry...

    what you need to realize, dearest Kuro, is that when debating with Q, be prepared to yell at the computer, smash your head against a wall, then answer in a calm, cool manner

    You make me sound like I am an idiot who can't understand basic concepts. But if it makes you feel better I usually want to do the same at my compute to you guys too ^_^

    naw, I mean your arguements are usually pretty damn good, so I know I need to take a minute to try to counter them

    If you people quit disagreeing with me in the first place it'd just make things alot easier on both ends I think.

    yeah, but that would be giving in to your beliefs and saying mine are wrong
    and I'm sorry, but I'm just not that kind of person.

    I don't lose much, so chances are you will anyway. ^_^ Poor Kurokumo.
    You love to rub that fact in don't you Emo Corner
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    Post by amaterasu Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:05

    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:basically, yeah
    it's "the best of both worlds", I suppose you could say

    When God created bread for the people of Israel in the Desert, did he do it slowly? When God fed the 5000 did he make the break evolve? When God does things, he doesn't do it slowly he can do things instantly.

    Why on Earth, would God want to do it over millions of years? HE said he did it in 7 days, because he was setting up the first human calendar week and he did it in 7 days. Honestly, it's a simple book to get, but it's so critical don't water it down with this "Best of both world's stuff" because you don't want to offend anyone, and don't believe it.

    I'm just saying how it's a little bit of creation and evolution mixed into one, like scientific proof and religion

    and no, He didn't feed the 5000 people slowly, but didn't the egyptians set up the calendar, anyways?
    Moses said "7 days" but how do we know if it really was 7 days? What about the dinosaurs? Did they appear then die within a 24 hour period?

    So stupid...

    Sorry but why do people think Creation lacks Science? It has so much more evidence then Evolution does.

    No. The Dinosaurs went extinct after Noah's Flood. You act like Humans and Dinosaurs couldn't have lived together. Well why not? We have Alligators, why did the Alligator survive, and not a T-Rex then if it was all Evolution?

    And yes, Egyptians Set up the Calendar, based off the Israelite Calendar used before them.

    The Egyptians based the calendar off the Nile

    They didn't live together. Science has proved this too, the dinosaurs became extinct before the first humans were ever created.
    Who knows? There are so many theories to how the dinosaurs died out, nobody's 100% sure anymore. But if the dinosaurs and humans did coexist, why did the dinosaurs die and not the humans, too? Whatever wiped them out like that must have been powerful enough to wipe us out, too.

    Sorry, you are talking about the 365 Calendar. Yes the Egyptians set up the 365 Day Calendar.

    But the 7 day calendar came from Israelites.

    I am in a pretty bad mood Sabaku. So sorry but this is going to be rough.


    PROVE I dare you to prove that they didn't! Radiocarbon dating? It doesn't work! They Radiocarbon dated a Sandal to 450,000 years ago from Reebok. Also, two teams RadioCarbon dated a bird Skull. One came back at 1.4 million years, the other 17 million years. You realize how off that is? They then tried again and someone got 8 million, so they settled on 5 million cause it sounded about right. THAT's OUR SCIENTISTS! They are SETTLING!? They should never settle! They should find out which one is right! And they can't! Because Radio Carbon Dating is Flawed.

    Fossil Evidence? None. Archearaptor, Nebraska man, Lucy, all of em have been proven fakes. Or how about the Geologic Time Scale Q? Nope doesn't work Sabaku. It's a flawed system. When a Fossil is found in the Geologic Time Scale they compare it to the Geologic Time Scale to find what age it is. Problem is, the Geologic Time Scale is defined by what fossils are found in it. So there is no real age proven here.

    Also, I do have a theory on why the Dinosaurs died and we didn't. But first, let me point out that in the Bible, Dinosaurs are mentioned more times then most animals. That's right. Job is a great example of this. Also, every culture has talk of Dragons, and ancient lizard demons of some sort. What if these are just other cultures takes on Dinosaurs? Dragons especially are repeatedly discovered and they have been proven to match with today's descriptions of Tyrannasaurus. There is only one real reason why people think Dinosaurs and Humans don't live at the same time period. Evolutionists say they don't. No that really is all there is to it.

    You say Dinosaurs are extinct but for starters, are all of them? Lizards, have been proven to have a definite likeness for Brachiasaurus. The thing about Reptiles is they never stop growing from birth to death. If People in Moses's time lived for 900 years, then if a Lizard grew to be 900 years old, scientists agree that he would have the same bone structure and size as a brachiosaurus. Just a tidbit.

    Also, let's look at what Evolutionists say happened. "..." Oh that's right as you said they have no answer to how they died out. The reason evolutionists can't come up with the answer? Because they think one reason killed them all.

    IF we take that whole "One reason killed them all" theory out and tackle it Biblically we get a good amount of reasons. First, many scientists agree the Oceans incredibly warmed after Noah's flood so that it could be evaporated and cause first rains. This killed alot of the sea ones, not to mention the floods left a ton of sea creatures washed up all over the world (It's the real reason we find Sea animals remains on Continents today not because they fell there by Pangea Nonsense). Then there were only 2 animals of each kind. Sure if you stuff them in the boat as babies they will live. But a Tyrannasaurus Rex roaming for Food like it did before will have a hard time since so many animals were now gone. It probably starved due to lack of food like there was in the old days. Also, there were other catastrophes. Volcanoes and all those other things that happen today still happened then.

    And of course man. Man still killed animals, and since there was less food they had to hunt more agressively. It is why people got spread out all over the World. They hunted more and more for food that was less and less there and the peoples got sent everywhere. We hunted more aggressively and the poor T-Rex who had to eat Tons of food a day to keep him fit and healthy couldn't get enough sheep. Plus the world was different. The new landscapes were not meant for a dinosaurs like the old ones. Face it, Humans killed hundreds of animal species nowadays, why is it a surprise we didn't kill them out then too?

    also they did do theological tests and they came up with that the air before noah's flood was roughtly 15% oxygen and today it is roughtly 2% oxygen. The air now cannot support the lungs of gigantic animals like a dinosaurs
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    Post by quater Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:06

    death-chan wrote:
    quater wrote:
    death-chan wrote:
    quater wrote:
    death-chan wrote:
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    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    death-chan wrote:Do you think God wanted it to be this way? Bush, anarchy, genocide, disease?

    I'm inserting myself in the convo. yay!

    and probably not, but He gave man free will to do as we see fit, and well, this is what we've come up with
    lol, hey.

    hence why kurokumo cannot say that God is not perfect because it was our own faults why we have Bush

    I'll Kill you.
    President Bush is far better then the alternatives and is a fine President.
    Go ahead kill me.
    Maybe. Bush just has never appealed to me and the Constitution as well as the Declaration of Human Rights allows me to voice my own opinion as long as there is no intent to bring harm to him

    Of course it does. And I can once again ask you one thing he has done wrong and wait for you to look like an idiot when you can't name anything ^_^
    You overestimate me Kazekage. Of course I am a bumbling idiot.

    Like the No child left behind crap. I admire his effort on closing the gaps but I don't think it's very effective. He cannot change students' work and homework ethics and crap and unless he can change their views and all that I don't think it's worth it.
    And calling those three countries (I forget, i think they were Iran, Iraq, and NK) the axis of evil, that was a bit harsh.

    Harsh? You realize if those three countries got Nuclear Warheads they would destroy the US of A right? But sure, we wouldn't want to call them a name...That'd be harsh.

    And as for the No Child Left Behind Act. No actually it's worked it gets a lot of schools a lot more money. The Reason it doesn't work perfectly, is not because of President Bush, but because Public Schools in General fail.
    I guess. But calling names isn't really going to get us anywhere, and the first time I heard this it kinda made me laugh because it seemed like one of those playground fights where you just stand there and make threats and call names but never take action. (Not saying that the US did not make an effort)

    Maybe. But around where I live it hasn't made much difference. Maybe for your area.

    You do realize Iranians say all the time Death to us right? Sure we should be nice to those who want us dead. Give em a big bear hug ^_^

    It doesn't make a difference, as I said, because of Public Schools. Public Schooling is the worst form of Education.
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    Post by quater Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:06

    Amaterasu wrote:
    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:basically, yeah
    it's "the best of both worlds", I suppose you could say

    When God created bread for the people of Israel in the Desert, did he do it slowly? When God fed the 5000 did he make the break evolve? When God does things, he doesn't do it slowly he can do things instantly.

    Why on Earth, would God want to do it over millions of years? HE said he did it in 7 days, because he was setting up the first human calendar week and he did it in 7 days. Honestly, it's a simple book to get, but it's so critical don't water it down with this "Best of both world's stuff" because you don't want to offend anyone, and don't believe it.

    I'm just saying how it's a little bit of creation and evolution mixed into one, like scientific proof and religion

    and no, He didn't feed the 5000 people slowly, but didn't the egyptians set up the calendar, anyways?
    Moses said "7 days" but how do we know if it really was 7 days? What about the dinosaurs? Did they appear then die within a 24 hour period?

    So stupid...

    Sorry but why do people think Creation lacks Science? It has so much more evidence then Evolution does.

    No. The Dinosaurs went extinct after Noah's Flood. You act like Humans and Dinosaurs couldn't have lived together. Well why not? We have Alligators, why did the Alligator survive, and not a T-Rex then if it was all Evolution?

    And yes, Egyptians Set up the Calendar, based off the Israelite Calendar used before them.

    The Egyptians based the calendar off the Nile

    They didn't live together. Science has proved this too, the dinosaurs became extinct before the first humans were ever created.
    Who knows? There are so many theories to how the dinosaurs died out, nobody's 100% sure anymore. But if the dinosaurs and humans did coexist, why did the dinosaurs die and not the humans, too? Whatever wiped them out like that must have been powerful enough to wipe us out, too.

    Sorry, you are talking about the 365 Calendar. Yes the Egyptians set up the 365 Day Calendar.

    But the 7 day calendar came from Israelites.

    I am in a pretty bad mood Sabaku. So sorry but this is going to be rough.


    PROVE I dare you to prove that they didn't! Radiocarbon dating? It doesn't work! They Radiocarbon dated a Sandal to 450,000 years ago from Reebok. Also, two teams RadioCarbon dated a bird Skull. One came back at 1.4 million years, the other 17 million years. You realize how off that is? They then tried again and someone got 8 million, so they settled on 5 million cause it sounded about right. THAT's OUR SCIENTISTS! They are SETTLING!? They should never settle! They should find out which one is right! And they can't! Because Radio Carbon Dating is Flawed.

    Fossil Evidence? None. Archearaptor, Nebraska man, Lucy, all of em have been proven fakes. Or how about the Geologic Time Scale Q? Nope doesn't work Sabaku. It's a flawed system. When a Fossil is found in the Geologic Time Scale they compare it to the Geologic Time Scale to find what age it is. Problem is, the Geologic Time Scale is defined by what fossils are found in it. So there is no real age proven here.

    Also, I do have a theory on why the Dinosaurs died and we didn't. But first, let me point out that in the Bible, Dinosaurs are mentioned more times then most animals. That's right. Job is a great example of this. Also, every culture has talk of Dragons, and ancient lizard demons of some sort. What if these are just other cultures takes on Dinosaurs? Dragons especially are repeatedly discovered and they have been proven to match with today's descriptions of Tyrannasaurus. There is only one real reason why people think Dinosaurs and Humans don't live at the same time period. Evolutionists say they don't. No that really is all there is to it.

    You say Dinosaurs are extinct but for starters, are all of them? Lizards, have been proven to have a definite likeness for Brachiasaurus. The thing about Reptiles is they never stop growing from birth to death. If People in Moses's time lived for 900 years, then if a Lizard grew to be 900 years old, scientists agree that he would have the same bone structure and size as a brachiosaurus. Just a tidbit.

    Also, let's look at what Evolutionists say happened. "..." Oh that's right as you said they have no answer to how they died out. The reason evolutionists can't come up with the answer? Because they think one reason killed them all.

    IF we take that whole "One reason killed them all" theory out and tackle it Biblically we get a good amount of reasons. First, many scientists agree the Oceans incredibly warmed after Noah's flood so that it could be evaporated and cause first rains. This killed alot of the sea ones, not to mention the floods left a ton of sea creatures washed up all over the world (It's the real reason we find Sea animals remains on Continents today not because they fell there by Pangea Nonsense). Then there were only 2 animals of each kind. Sure if you stuff them in the boat as babies they will live. But a Tyrannasaurus Rex roaming for Food like it did before will have a hard time since so many animals were now gone. It probably starved due to lack of food like there was in the old days. Also, there were other catastrophes. Volcanoes and all those other things that happen today still happened then.

    And of course man. Man still killed animals, and since there was less food they had to hunt more agressively. It is why people got spread out all over the World. They hunted more and more for food that was less and less there and the peoples got sent everywhere. We hunted more aggressively and the poor T-Rex who had to eat Tons of food a day to keep him fit and healthy couldn't get enough sheep. Plus the world was different. The new landscapes were not meant for a dinosaurs like the old ones. Face it, Humans killed hundreds of animal species nowadays, why is it a surprise we didn't kill them out then too?

    also they did do theological tests and they came up with that the air before noah's flood was roughtly 15% oxygen and today it is roughtly 2% oxygen. The air now cannot support the lungs of gigantic animals like a dinosaurs

    Thanks Amaterasu. Gosh you had me scared I thought you had left my side for a bit there.
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    Post by quater Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:07

    TheFirstKnight wrote:oh, and I generally stay away from debates that deal with beliefs and feelings and all that stuff. I stick to topics that have cold hard facts.

    Sometimes I am the same.

    Why I debate Creation and Evolution. Easily done with Facts.

    And the Jesus thing is factual too.
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    Post by Banouin Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:08

    quater wrote:
    Banouin wrote:
    quater wrote:
    Banouin wrote:
    quater wrote:
    Banouin wrote:
    quater wrote:
    Kurokumo wrote:Nobody's perfect, Q-sama! Not even God. If God was perfect, then we wouldn't have Bush on this planet! (Okay, THAT was mean... I'm sorry...)
    And besides, if we have a God that's perfect, I'd hate him. I'm against perfectionism.... Hence the reason I believe that... I'm sorry...
    ^-^ Is something wrong with you today, Q-sama? You seem to be acting... Out of character, no offense... I'm sorry...

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    I just thought of the weirdest thing... If I was the Migrant Village of the Sun's Kage...
    Kurokumo... means black cloud...
    ...Do you or do you not see that irony?!

    Are you kidding? JESUS IS PERFECT! That's the whole point of Salvation.

    Make fun of President Bush again I dare ya.

    I am fine but I am a debator.

    Um Q Jesus was a MAN, In no way was he, We As MAN are not perfect, yes he is a good guy and did alot of things, But in no way Do i think he was perfect. Only God Was

    God made Jesus. He is God in flesh. He was the perfect man. It's basically the whole point of the Bible. We as men do fail, but since he is God in Man's flesh, he was percfect, and resisted the urge to sin something we could never do so we could have a way to the father.

    And just as He was made of God, So are we. How can you say that he was he was a man just like all of us, he did fail and still do and yes he was sent to so we would have a way to god. But in all his time you cant say he did nothing wrong. God made him a man, as he did with us, When he did die for us it made it so even if we do sin we do have a way to God.
    '

    Here's the catch. We are made between man and woman. He was born of a Virgin. Thus his father is heavenly, unlike ours.

    Yes I can. He says it, and name one thing he has done wrong? Just because it's unbelievable, it's the point. And yes, he made a way. But point to me one wrong.

    There are many yrs of his life that go untold Q..(I think) in all that Time can you say he did nothing bad? yes ok you got we are mad of man and woman. but even if so he was mad of a woman as well, in that he is Man as well and can sin. Idk if he DID i can pick that out of anywhere and where did it say that? bible? Plz The bible was in the hands of MAN When made, How much of it is 100% right?

    Alright.

    Yes, he can sin. But He didn't.

    And the Bible was written by men who watched him. It's why the 4 accounts differ here and there men wrote it and it's not perfect. But it was written by people that were there. And it's validated by not only other historical literature, and events but also in it's sheer volume all correlating. So yeah. The Bible is good for me. You think you could change the Bible? Ha. To many manuscripts to have to change. Not to mention every prophecy in the Bible has either come true or still can. In all of the hundreds in there not one has been proven wrong. That's pretty heavy. It's more infintesmal chances then Evolution.

    And With that, I have nothing more I can say so Q, you Win. Cong Man
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    Post by sabaku no ketsueki Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:08

    quater wrote:
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    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    quater wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    Kurokumo wrote:HOLD IT!! WHY THE HELL ARE WE HAVING A FLIPPING DEBATE ABOUT THIS, ANYWAYS?! WTF?! BESIDES,EVERYONE IS FLIPPING ENTITLED TO THIER OWN OPINIONS!! Q-KUN, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT!!
    BESIDES, WHO CARES IF SOMEONE BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION!! WHO CARES IF GOD IS PERFECT?! WE HAVE A FREAKING LIFE, PEOPLE!! TALK SBOUT SOMETHING IMPOTANT!! MOVE ON FROM THIS SUBJECT!! HOLY FREAKING CRAP!!
    ...Huff... Huff... I guess you can say I'm annoyed... Ahahaha... Sorry...

    what you need to realize, dearest Kuro, is that when debating with Q, be prepared to yell at the computer, smash your head against a wall, then answer in a calm, cool manner

    You make me sound like I am an idiot who can't understand basic concepts. But if it makes you feel better I usually want to do the same at my compute to you guys too ^_^

    naw, I mean your arguements are usually pretty damn good, so I know I need to take a minute to try to counter them

    If you people quit disagreeing with me in the first place it'd just make things alot easier on both ends I think.

    yeah, but that would be giving in to your beliefs and saying mine are wrong
    and I'm sorry, but I'm just not that kind of person.

    I don't lose much, so chances are you will anyway. ^_^ Poor Kurokumo.

    I don't care if you're twice the debater I'll ever be! I shall try!
    Bwahaha but not now, cause i'm not really a part of this current debate...
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    Post by theBOSS. Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:09

    quater wrote:
    death-chan wrote:
    quater wrote:
    death-chan wrote:
    quater wrote:
    death-chan wrote:
    quater wrote:
    death-chan wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    death-chan wrote:Do you think God wanted it to be this way? Bush, anarchy, genocide, disease?

    I'm inserting myself in the convo. yay!

    and probably not, but He gave man free will to do as we see fit, and well, this is what we've come up with
    lol, hey.

    hence why kurokumo cannot say that God is not perfect because it was our own faults why we have Bush

    I'll Kill you.
    President Bush is far better then the alternatives and is a fine President.
    Go ahead kill me.
    Maybe. Bush just has never appealed to me and the Constitution as well as the Declaration of Human Rights allows me to voice my own opinion as long as there is no intent to bring harm to him

    Of course it does. And I can once again ask you one thing he has done wrong and wait for you to look like an idiot when you can't name anything ^_^
    You overestimate me Kazekage. Of course I am a bumbling idiot.

    Like the No child left behind crap. I admire his effort on closing the gaps but I don't think it's very effective. He cannot change students' work and homework ethics and crap and unless he can change their views and all that I don't think it's worth it.
    And calling those three countries (I forget, i think they were Iran, Iraq, and NK) the axis of evil, that was a bit harsh.

    Harsh? You realize if those three countries got Nuclear Warheads they would destroy the US of A right? But sure, we wouldn't want to call them a name...That'd be harsh.

    And as for the No Child Left Behind Act. No actually it's worked it gets a lot of schools a lot more money. The Reason it doesn't work perfectly, is not because of President Bush, but because Public Schools in General fail.
    I guess. But calling names isn't really going to get us anywhere, and the first time I heard this it kinda made me laugh because it seemed like one of those playground fights where you just stand there and make threats and call names but never take action. (Not saying that the US did not make an effort)

    Maybe. But around where I live it hasn't made much difference. Maybe for your area.

    You do realize Iranians say all the time Death to us right? Sure we should be nice to those who want us dead. Give em a big bear hug ^_^

    It doesn't make a difference, as I said, because of Public Schools. Public Schooling is the worst form of Education.
    Ew. Hugs are for the weak.
    But just throwing insults and names back and forth doesn't really help with the problems with the nuclear warheads

    Geez bush should have just changed the whole school system and whatnot then
    that's just because public school teachers and students just don't give a damn
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    Post by TheFirstKnight Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:09

    quater wrote:
    TheFirstKnight wrote:oh, and I generally stay away from debates that deal with beliefs and feelings and all that stuff. I stick to topics that have cold hard facts.

    Sometimes I am the same.

    Why I debate Creation and Evolution. Easily done with Facts.

    And the Jesus thing is factual too.

    Religion is something more than facts, that deals with belief. Belief is no something that can be easily disproven, not matter the facts.
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    Post by quater Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:11

    TheFirstKnight wrote:
    quater wrote:
    TheFirstKnight wrote:oh, and I generally stay away from debates that deal with beliefs and feelings and all that stuff. I stick to topics that have cold hard facts.

    Sometimes I am the same.

    Why I debate Creation and Evolution. Easily done with Facts.

    And the Jesus thing is factual too.

    Religion is something more than facts, that deals with belief. Belief is no something that can be easily disproven, not matter the facts.
    Except Intelligent Design is not Religion and it's what we are defending here.

    Common stereotype no worries TFK. Everyone thinks this is religion verse Science but it's clearly science verse Science.
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    Post by quater Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:12

    death-chan wrote:
    quater wrote:
    death-chan wrote:
    quater wrote:
    death-chan wrote:
    quater wrote:
    death-chan wrote:
    quater wrote:
    death-chan wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    death-chan wrote:Do you think God wanted it to be this way? Bush, anarchy, genocide, disease?

    I'm inserting myself in the convo. yay!

    and probably not, but He gave man free will to do as we see fit, and well, this is what we've come up with
    lol, hey.

    hence why kurokumo cannot say that God is not perfect because it was our own faults why we have Bush

    I'll Kill you.
    President Bush is far better then the alternatives and is a fine President.
    Go ahead kill me.
    Maybe. Bush just has never appealed to me and the Constitution as well as the Declaration of Human Rights allows me to voice my own opinion as long as there is no intent to bring harm to him

    Of course it does. And I can once again ask you one thing he has done wrong and wait for you to look like an idiot when you can't name anything ^_^
    You overestimate me Kazekage. Of course I am a bumbling idiot.

    Like the No child left behind crap. I admire his effort on closing the gaps but I don't think it's very effective. He cannot change students' work and homework ethics and crap and unless he can change their views and all that I don't think it's worth it.
    And calling those three countries (I forget, i think they were Iran, Iraq, and NK) the axis of evil, that was a bit harsh.

    Harsh? You realize if those three countries got Nuclear Warheads they would destroy the US of A right? But sure, we wouldn't want to call them a name...That'd be harsh.

    And as for the No Child Left Behind Act. No actually it's worked it gets a lot of schools a lot more money. The Reason it doesn't work perfectly, is not because of President Bush, but because Public Schools in General fail.
    I guess. But calling names isn't really going to get us anywhere, and the first time I heard this it kinda made me laugh because it seemed like one of those playground fights where you just stand there and make threats and call names but never take action. (Not saying that the US did not make an effort)

    Maybe. But around where I live it hasn't made much difference. Maybe for your area.

    You do realize Iranians say all the time Death to us right? Sure we should be nice to those who want us dead. Give em a big bear hug ^_^

    It doesn't make a difference, as I said, because of Public Schools. Public Schooling is the worst form of Education.
    Ew. Hugs are for the weak.
    But just throwing insults and names back and forth doesn't really help with the problems with the nuclear warheads

    Geez bush should have just changed the whole school system and whatnot then
    that's just because public school teachers and students just don't give a damn

    He was doing it to highlight the problems.

    President Bush couldn't. He added some capitalism but it needs to be redone. Problem is Democrats would never let him redo our public Schools, nor teacher unions or anything. So far people have this ignorance to them. You blame it on president Bush but no one in America has the power to fix them yet.
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    Post by TheFirstKnight Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:13

    quater wrote:Except Intelligent Design is not Religion and it's what we are defending here.

    Common stereotype no worries TFK. Everyone thinks this is religion verse Science but it's clearly science verse Science.

    oops oh well, I just popped in and saw all this stuff about jesus and the bible so i just thought this topic veered off course and became a religion thread.
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    Post by quater Fri Feb 29 2008, 18:14

    TheFirstKnight wrote:
    quater wrote:Except Intelligent Design is not Religion and it's what we are defending here.

    Common stereotype no worries TFK. Everyone thinks this is religion verse Science but it's clearly science verse Science.

    oops oh well, I just popped in and saw all this stuff about jesus and the bible so i just thought this topic veered off course and became a religion thread.

    Ha I can see that. People get off topic alot here. And they did again.
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    Post by Titaniumxvx Fri Feb 29 2008, 19:25

    Kurokumo wrote:HOLD IT!! WHY THE HELL ARE WE HAVING A FLIPPING DEBATE ABOUT THIS, ANYWAYS?! WTF?! BESIDES,EVERYONE IS FLIPPING ENTITLED TO THIER OWN OPINIONS!! Q-KUN, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT!!
    BESIDES, WHO CARES IF SOMEONE BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION!! WHO CARES IF GOD IS PERFECT?! WE HAVE A FREAKING LIFE, PEOPLE!! TALK SBOUT SOMETHING IMPOTANT!! MOVE ON FROM THIS SUBJECT!! HOLY FREAKING CRAP!!
    ...Huff... Huff... I guess you can say I'm annoyed... Ahahaha... Sorry...

    Charlie Chaplin! What's wrong wit you?! huh

    lol, Just Kidding, need some aspirin?
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    Post by namine Fri Feb 29 2008, 21:28

    EVOLVED!!
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    Post by quater Fri Feb 29 2008, 21:36

    Titaniumxvx wrote:
    Kurokumo wrote:HOLD IT!! WHY THE HELL ARE WE HAVING A FLIPPING DEBATE ABOUT THIS, ANYWAYS?! WTF?! BESIDES,EVERYONE IS FLIPPING ENTITLED TO THIER OWN OPINIONS!! Q-KUN, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT!!
    BESIDES, WHO CARES IF SOMEONE BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION!! WHO CARES IF GOD IS PERFECT?! WE HAVE A FREAKING LIFE, PEOPLE!! TALK SBOUT SOMETHING IMPOTANT!! MOVE ON FROM THIS SUBJECT!! HOLY FREAKING CRAP!!
    ...Huff... Huff... I guess you can say I'm annoyed... Ahahaha... Sorry...

    Charlie Chaplin! What's wrong wit you?! huh

    lol, Just Kidding, need some aspirin?

    Don't ask me man. I was just doing the usual and this kid goes on a flying rampage out of nowhere.

    I mean it's a thread! If you don't like the subject go to another one. Geez.
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    Post by spyke543 Fri Feb 29 2008, 22:59

    Uh-oh. People were talking more stuff while I was at school today. I'll jump in later. I skipped the past two or so pages due to too much bs. I read the part where people were saying that God wasn't perfect. Then yeah.
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    Post by amaterasu Fri Feb 29 2008, 23:22

    quater wrote:
    death-chan wrote:
    sabaku no ketsueki wrote:
    death-chan wrote:Do you think God wanted it to be this way? Bush, anarchy, genocide, disease?

    I'm inserting myself in the convo. yay!

    and probably not, but He gave man free will to do as we see fit, and well, this is what we've come up with
    lol, hey.

    hence why kurokumo cannot say that God is not perfect because it was our own faults why we have Bush

    I'll Kill you.
    President Bush is far better then the alternatives and is a fine President.

    ah, my opinion is different, but then again as you knwo i don't pay attention nor do I care about your silly government ^_^
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    Post by neon kun Fri Feb 29 2008, 23:47

    i've always loved reading all your debates. ^^
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    Post by spyke543 Sat Mar 01 2008, 00:05

    Bush isn't as bad as everyone says he is. Ok, maybe he is. idk, I don't pay for gas or taxes. But no way on Earth Kerry was going to win.
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    Post by Titaniumxvx Sat Mar 01 2008, 00:27

    quater wrote:
    Titaniumxvx wrote:
    Kurokumo wrote:HOLD IT!! WHY THE HELL ARE WE HAVING A FLIPPING DEBATE ABOUT THIS, ANYWAYS?! WTF?! BESIDES,EVERYONE IS FLIPPING ENTITLED TO THIER OWN OPINIONS!! Q-KUN, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT!!
    BESIDES, WHO CARES IF SOMEONE BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION!! WHO CARES IF GOD IS PERFECT?! WE HAVE A FREAKING LIFE, PEOPLE!! TALK SBOUT SOMETHING IMPOTANT!! MOVE ON FROM THIS SUBJECT!! HOLY FREAKING CRAP!!
    ...Huff... Huff... I guess you can say I'm annoyed... Ahahaha... Sorry...

    Charlie Chaplin! What's wrong wit you?! huh

    lol, Just Kidding, need some aspirin?

    Don't ask me man. I was just doing the usual and this kid goes on a flying rampage out of nowhere.

    I mean it's a thread! If you don't like the subject go to another one. Geez.

    I thought it was really funny though,
    Like Unrelaxed..'WHO CARES HOLY FRICKEN CRAP!' It made me laugh so much.

    (Just playing, I know you're cool Kuro)

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