Black and white or shades of grey?

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:You can use right and wrong interchangeably with White and black it's a matter of choice if you do. Just because I don't know all that is black and white doesn't mean it matters because I Am not the eternal judge on the matter (Kinda less burdensome in a way).

Afterall you no one fully comprehends love even though we all love and fall in love. But we don't fully understand it we can still make it into concepts no? Well it's the same except that right and wrong are more resolute.

Then, what you are saying is that we cannot say what is black and what is white. So we have to view it as grey.

Black and white exists, but so does grey, and that is how humans view morals because our minds could not comprehend black and white.

That's probably the exact opposite of what I am saying. I am saying we don't know Everything, so we cannot be judges of all situations and know if we did what is right or wrong, but we must strive to do what is right, because it's there.

Our minds are pretty comprehensive of black and white actually.

No, our minds are not that simple. So you cannot even say souls are black if we do not know everything.

Because what is black then cannot suddenly be white. and if all souls are black, then how is one soul accepted into Heaven and the other turned away?

Because God has sent his son to pay the price for our sins.

That is the only way a soul can become White through God because he paid the price of our sins.

And really, that's a simple fact.

But it is a journey!

There is no abrupt change, even when one accepts the Messiah they can still sin. So how can they be white?

Didn't you just read what I said? Because God PAID for our sins and we have accepted him!

He already paid for our sins.

You are describing a work based Salvation. That is both unbiblical, and God said so himself, impossible.

amaterasu wrote:

PeinQAkatsuki wrote:

quater wrote:I disagree.

Do you say that "Lying" to not hurt someone's feelings justified?

Well I do not. I believe a lie is a lie.Yes, we all lie me especially included. But is it still wrong to lie? Yes. I believe it is.

Some people just make stupid choices, or have accidents. It's not good to be only negative and positive. You need to live in the happy medium aka the shades of grey.

White is the place to live.

Gray is just black in disguise

knssquad wrote:

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quater wrote:

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quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:The thread spoke of viewing black and white in terms of morality, and morals are based in right and wrong. Wrong - Black and white - is Right.

Is this a confusing topic or do I need to make it simpler?

Um, yes it can. Jesus Christ clearly cut out most if not nearly all Jewish practices we had (And my peep has never been happier about it). Judaism is The History that lead to Jesus.

Everyone doesn't have good in them. Only the Lord Christ can make someone white and that is what death on the Christ was for. God said our good deeds were like dirty rags. (I am only going metaphysical here because you seem content to hammer it out like this)

But thats the problem with black and white arguments, the argument base itself is flawed.

No, it cannot, because the God of Judaism, and the God of Christianity are basically the same. I can say that because of Messianic Judaism. The Book of Life was even spoke about in the New Testament, was it not? The same one.

People do have good in them, we are not 100% evil, because we can change. We are not condemned to one fate because we are grey. Complex, isn't it?

The argument is not flawed. It's because we disagree.

Jesus Said no man comes to the Father except through me and only those who accepted Christ will be found in the book of life. Which basically nullifies that argument or whatever that was.

Any who sins falls short of the Glory of God.

You don't even know what Messianic Judaism is. Research, then come back to me before you cast it off.

We all fall short, but we are not fully evil. So we are not black. We are not so simple to label like that. Not black because they that would mean to be accepted into heaven, we would need to be white, and only one man has pulled that off.

But, I'm pretty sure there is more than just The Lord and his son in Heaven

Yes I do. But I also believe in Lord Jesus's words a lot more then what the Messianic Jews did. Messianic Judaism believes Jesus is the messiah they waited for (He is) but they continue most Jewish traditions (They don't have to but it's not a bad thing either).

That is why we must BELIEVE in Jesus because he paid for our sins. Jesus paid for our sins because otherwise no man would be able to go to heaven because all men are sinners. Yes, we are all black.

They continue on because you need to remember that these traditions were done before the Messiah was even on Earth. So they continue on to assure that they will not slip up, as you say so.

Not black, It's a transition

in the evil terms

Satan------------------------Humans--------------------------The Lord

We're in between so that we can decide which way to go. We can't be black or white, but we sure can be grey!

I don't care what Messianic Jews do. Personally as long as they have the Jesus is messiah deal down we are fine.

And you didn't say anything about the major part of that post =.=.=

I even made a pretty graph for it! D:

Because I disagree with it ^_^

Humans are not in the Middle. We are saved through God's grace, not through our actions. We are in the black.

And because I disagree, it doesn't matter to me.

and that's what you do, you say you are bored and then leave

We are saved, but our actions cannot be ignored. It's not a free pass to do whatever you want. And that's why we are grey, because we sin even when we accept the Lord.

quater wrote:

PeinQAkatsuki wrote:

quater wrote:

PeinQAkatsuki wrote:

quater wrote:I disagree.

Do you say that "Lying" to not hurt someone's feelings justified?

Well I do not. I believe a lie is a lie.Yes, we all lie me especially included. But is it still wrong to lie? Yes. I believe it is.

Some people just make stupid choices, or have accidents. It's not good to be only negative and positive. You need to live in the happy medium aka the shades of grey.

Maybe, YOU need to live there.
But I live in a world where facts and logic are more important then what "Feels good" And in that world the world is black and white. ^_^

I do live there. Jeez, you think I'm pessimistic all the time? I'm not, I'm pretty neutral. I like to live in the shades of grey. But facts may be more stupid than emotions in some cases. I mean, you go by facts, and you won't realize that MAYBE if you had listened to your emotions, then MAYBE you would have avoided a sticky situation.

What you are trying to say is by following facts sometimes you avoid following your gut however your gut relies on facts your thesis is wrong do over!

I think the world is complex, and no one not even me, Q the invincible and greatest Kazekage and amatuer animator and to have ever graced a website's presence and the almighty king of debates, knows everything but in a million choices or two simple ones there is what is right to do and there is what is wrong to do and sometimes yes there can be more then one right choice and sometimes their may seem like no right choices but in life it is a battle of black and whites and grey is just an illusionary concept created by black to winover the masses.

For the world, I find sometimes the test is not even yours, but someone else's challenge of black and whites and you the tester. And if you truely are not sure about what is right, have you tried praying?

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:The thread spoke of viewing black and white in terms of morality, and morals are based in right and wrong. Wrong - Black and white - is Right.

Is this a confusing topic or do I need to make it simpler?

Um, yes it can. Jesus Christ clearly cut out most if not nearly all Jewish practices we had (And my peep has never been happier about it). Judaism is The History that lead to Jesus.

Everyone doesn't have good in them. Only the Lord Christ can make someone white and that is what death on the Christ was for. God said our good deeds were like dirty rags. (I am only going metaphysical here because you seem content to hammer it out like this)

But thats the problem with black and white arguments, the argument base itself is flawed.

No, it cannot, because the God of Judaism, and the God of Christianity are basically the same. I can say that because of Messianic Judaism. The Book of Life was even spoke about in the New Testament, was it not? The same one.

People do have good in them, we are not 100% evil, because we can change. We are not condemned to one fate because we are grey. Complex, isn't it?

The argument is not flawed. It's because we disagree.

Jesus Said no man comes to the Father except through me and only those who accepted Christ will be found in the book of life. Which basically nullifies that argument or whatever that was.

Any who sins falls short of the Glory of God.

You don't even know what Messianic Judaism is. Research, then come back to me before you cast it off.

We all fall short, but we are not fully evil. So we are not black. We are not so simple to label like that. Not black because they that would mean to be accepted into heaven, we would need to be white, and only one man has pulled that off.

But, I'm pretty sure there is more than just The Lord and his son in Heaven

Yes I do. But I also believe in Lord Jesus's words a lot more then what the Messianic Jews did. Messianic Judaism believes Jesus is the messiah they waited for (He is) but they continue most Jewish traditions (They don't have to but it's not a bad thing either).

That is why we must BELIEVE in Jesus because he paid for our sins. Jesus paid for our sins because otherwise no man would be able to go to heaven because all men are sinners. Yes, we are all black.

They continue on because you need to remember that these traditions were done before the Messiah was even on Earth. So they continue on to assure that they will not slip up, as you say so.

Not black, It's a transition

in the evil terms

Satan------------------------Humans--------------------------The Lord

We're in between so that we can decide which way to go. We can't be black or white, but we sure can be grey!

I don't care what Messianic Jews do. Personally as long as they have the Jesus is messiah deal down we are fine.

And you didn't say anything about the major part of that post =.=.=

I even made a pretty graph for it! D:

Because I disagree with it ^_^

Humans are not in the Middle. We are saved through God's grace, not through our actions. We are in the black.

And because I disagree, it doesn't matter to me.

and that's what you do, you say you are bored and then leave

We are saved, but our actions cannot be ignored. It's not a free pass to do whatever you want. And that's why we are grey, because we sin even when we accept the Lord.

I am bored I have been saying the same thing for like 2 or 3 pages and no progress so far even though you haven't come close to despiting me.

But for the world, if this weren't a metaphysical debate, the most boring of all debates, I'd stick to it. Make it politics facts or whatever, and get rid of my calculus and other several homeworks and sure I'd be there. But Quad please don't act like I do this to you everytime debate, since this is our second real debate, and I rarely if ever do this. Would you? ^_^

We are still White even if we sin after accepting Christ. But since we accepted Christ we wish to do God's will and that is to not sin. But we aren't grey.

This is over.

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:The thread spoke of viewing black and white in terms of morality, and morals are based in right and wrong. Wrong - Black and white - is Right.

Is this a confusing topic or do I need to make it simpler?

Um, yes it can. Jesus Christ clearly cut out most if not nearly all Jewish practices we had (And my peep has never been happier about it). Judaism is The History that lead to Jesus.

Everyone doesn't have good in them. Only the Lord Christ can make someone white and that is what death on the Christ was for. God said our good deeds were like dirty rags. (I am only going metaphysical here because you seem content to hammer it out like this)

But thats the problem with black and white arguments, the argument base itself is flawed.

No, it cannot, because the God of Judaism, and the God of Christianity are basically the same. I can say that because of Messianic Judaism. The Book of Life was even spoke about in the New Testament, was it not? The same one.

People do have good in them, we are not 100% evil, because we can change. We are not condemned to one fate because we are grey. Complex, isn't it?

The argument is not flawed. It's because we disagree.

Jesus Said no man comes to the Father except through me and only those who accepted Christ will be found in the book of life. Which basically nullifies that argument or whatever that was.

Any who sins falls short of the Glory of God.

You don't even know what Messianic Judaism is. Research, then come back to me before you cast it off.

We all fall short, but we are not fully evil. So we are not black. We are not so simple to label like that. Not black because they that would mean to be accepted into heaven, we would need to be white, and only one man has pulled that off.

But, I'm pretty sure there is more than just The Lord and his son in Heaven

Yes I do. But I also believe in Lord Jesus's words a lot more then what the Messianic Jews did. Messianic Judaism believes Jesus is the messiah they waited for (He is) but they continue most Jewish traditions (They don't have to but it's not a bad thing either).

That is why we must BELIEVE in Jesus because he paid for our sins. Jesus paid for our sins because otherwise no man would be able to go to heaven because all men are sinners. Yes, we are all black.

They continue on because you need to remember that these traditions were done before the Messiah was even on Earth. So they continue on to assure that they will not slip up, as you say so.

Not black, It's a transition

in the evil terms

Satan------------------------Humans--------------------------The Lord

We're in between so that we can decide which way to go. We can't be black or white, but we sure can be grey!

I don't care what Messianic Jews do. Personally as long as they have the Jesus is messiah deal down we are fine.

And you didn't say anything about the major part of that post =.=.=

I even made a pretty graph for it! D:

Because I disagree with it ^_^

Humans are not in the Middle. We are saved through God's grace, not through our actions. We are in the black.

And because I disagree, it doesn't matter to me.

and that's what you do, you say you are bored and then leave

We are saved, but our actions cannot be ignored. It's not a free pass to do whatever you want. And that's why we are grey, because we sin even when we accept the Lord.

I am bored I have been saying the same thing for like 2 or 3 pages and no progress so far even though you haven't come close to despiting me.

But for the world, if this weren't a metaphysical debate, the most boring of all debates, I'd stick to it. Make it politics facts or whatever, and get rid of my calculus and other several homeworks and sure I'd be there. But Quad please don't act like I do this to you everytime debate, since this is our second real debate, and I rarely if ever do this. Would you? ^_^

We are still White even if we sin after accepting Christ. But since we accepted Christ we wish to do God's will and that is to not sin. But we aren't grey.

This is over.

Alright, then I stick with what I said, grey.

knssquad wrote:But my boat is unsinkable!

Sounds familiar? :3

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:But my boat is unsinkable!

Sounds familiar? :3

Yeah! You are riding in the uh...uh...The Titanium!

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:But my boat is unsinkable!

Sounds familiar? :3

Yeah! You are riding in the uh...uh...The Titanium!

Not until the third date

quater wrote:I am pretty sure it was the Titaniumvsx

PeinQAkatsuki wrote:

quater wrote:I am pretty sure it was the Titaniumvsx

Oh, thought you were talking about the ship that went down in 1912.

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:But my boat is unsinkable!

Sounds familiar? :3

Yeah! You are riding in the uh...uh...The Titanium!

Not until the third date

Three dates Quad?

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:But my boat is unsinkable!

Sounds familiar? :3

Yeah! You are riding in the uh...uh...The Titanium!

Not until the third date

Three dates Quad?

Dun judge meh

quater wrote:

PeinQAkatsuki wrote:

quater wrote:I am pretty sure it was the Titaniumvsx

Oh, thought you were talking about the ship that went down in 1912.

Yeah that one!

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:

knssquad wrote:But my boat is unsinkable!

Sounds familiar? :3

Yeah! You are riding in the uh...uh...The Titanium!

Not until the third date

Three dates Quad?

Dun judge meh

^_^

I wasn't

Banouin wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

quater wrote:You can use right and wrong interchangeably with White and black it's a matter of choice if you do. Just because I don't know all that is black and white doesn't mean it matters because I Am not the eternal judge on the matter (Kinda less burdensome in a way).

Afterall you no one fully comprehends love even though we all love and fall in love. But we don't fully understand it we can still make it into concepts no? Well it's the same except that right and wrong are more resolute.

Then, what you are saying is that we cannot say what is black and what is white. So we have to view it as grey.

Black and white exists, but so does grey, and that is how humans view morals because our minds could not comprehend black and white.

it's gray I believe. Well in Canada anyway


well moving on to this

black------------------------------------------------------------------------white

opposite ends of the line. They cannot meet and cannot be together because (and this is true) wherever light is there is no darkness. the same with white and black. Where there is white there cannot be black.

...Huh..Where there is light, there is dark...Or So I think. But I dont think that has to do with right or wrong.

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:My view on this is this:


There is no gray.

There is no gray when you are robbing a band.

there is no gray when you break the law

there is no gray when you commit suicide.
and there is no gray in deciding to hit someone with your car.

I could go on and on, but hopefully you get my point. Most things in life there is only yes or no. Action or no action.

in any given situation there is always a yes or no and always a action or no action.

some situations like someone asks you to give them all your money. You say no, they kill you. You say yes and give it to them.

the consequences are vastly different in each situation but the questions are always the same.

A gunman doesn't think about whether he will kill someone but he thinks who is he going to kill

But, if you had to choose between killing a stranger and killing your best friend, what is the right choice and what is the wrong choice?

Who says I have to kill them?

there are plenty of ways to stop someone without killing them

you can even stop someone without touching them.

How so?

What if those were your only options?

Answer the question, what is right and what is wrong?

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:My view on this is this:


There is no gray.

There is no gray when you are robbing a band.

there is no gray when you break the law

there is no gray when you commit suicide.
and there is no gray in deciding to hit someone with your car.

I could go on and on, but hopefully you get my point. Most things in life there is only yes or no. Action or no action.

in any given situation there is always a yes or no and always a action or no action.

some situations like someone asks you to give them all your money. You say no, they kill you. You say yes and give it to them.

the consequences are vastly different in each situation but the questions are always the same.

A gunman doesn't think about whether he will kill someone but he thinks who is he going to kill

But, if you had to choose between killing a stranger and killing your best friend, what is the right choice and what is the wrong choice?

Who says I have to kill them?

there are plenty of ways to stop someone without killing them

you can even stop someone without touching them.

How so?

What if those were your only options?

Answer the question, what is right and what is wrong?

I did answer the question

you never gave me any circumstances


stop trying to trap me.

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:My view on this is this:


There is no gray.

There is no gray when you are robbing a band.

there is no gray when you break the law

there is no gray when you commit suicide.
and there is no gray in deciding to hit someone with your car.

I could go on and on, but hopefully you get my point. Most things in life there is only yes or no. Action or no action.

in any given situation there is always a yes or no and always a action or no action.

some situations like someone asks you to give them all your money. You say no, they kill you. You say yes and give it to them.

the consequences are vastly different in each situation but the questions are always the same.

A gunman doesn't think about whether he will kill someone but he thinks who is he going to kill

But, if you had to choose between killing a stranger and killing your best friend, what is the right choice and what is the wrong choice?

Who says I have to kill them?

there are plenty of ways to stop someone without killing them

you can even stop someone without touching them.

How so?

What if those were your only options?

Answer the question, what is right and what is wrong?

I did answer the question

you never gave me any circumstances


stop trying to trap me.

I was just trying to ask you to point out the right choice ^_^_^

But you can't point it out :D

Now Shush! WE're trying to make this a spam thread!

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:My view on this is this:


There is no gray.

There is no gray when you are robbing a band.

there is no gray when you break the law

there is no gray when you commit suicide.
and there is no gray in deciding to hit someone with your car.

I could go on and on, but hopefully you get my point. Most things in life there is only yes or no. Action or no action.

in any given situation there is always a yes or no and always a action or no action.

some situations like someone asks you to give them all your money. You say no, they kill you. You say yes and give it to them.

the consequences are vastly different in each situation but the questions are always the same.

A gunman doesn't think about whether he will kill someone but he thinks who is he going to kill

But, if you had to choose between killing a stranger and killing your best friend, what is the right choice and what is the wrong choice?

Who says I have to kill them?

there are plenty of ways to stop someone without killing them

you can even stop someone without touching them.

How so?

What if those were your only options?

Answer the question, what is right and what is wrong?

I did answer the question

you never gave me any circumstances


stop trying to trap me.

I was just trying to ask you to point out the right choice ^_^_^

But you can't point it out :D

Now Shush! WE're trying to make this a spam thread!

I did point it out


I wouldn't kill either of them. I would find another way

in which there are lots

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

knssquad wrote:

amaterasu wrote:My view on this is this:


There is no gray.

There is no gray when you are robbing a band.

there is no gray when you break the law

there is no gray when you commit suicide.
and there is no gray in deciding to hit someone with your car.

I could go on and on, but hopefully you get my point. Most things in life there is only yes or no. Action or no action.

in any given situation there is always a yes or no and always a action or no action.

some situations like someone asks you to give them all your money. You say no, they kill you. You say yes and give it to them.

the consequences are vastly different in each situation but the questions are always the same.

A gunman doesn't think about whether he will kill someone but he thinks who is he going to kill

But, if you had to choose between killing a stranger and killing your best friend, what is the right choice and what is the wrong choice?

Who says I have to kill them?

there are plenty of ways to stop someone without killing them

you can even stop someone without touching them.

How so?

What if those were your only options?

Answer the question, what is right and what is wrong?

I did answer the question

you never gave me any circumstances


stop trying to trap me.

I was just trying to ask you to point out the right choice ^_^_^

But you can't point it out :D

Now Shush! WE're trying to make this a spam thread!

I did point it out


I wouldn't kill either of them. I would find another way

in which there are lots

and how so?