The Rebel

it's ok to be angry, remember that


relieve some of that, yell into your pillow.

it's not a sin to be angry, but it is what you do when your angry that is a sin.

don't think rash, but ask God to show you another way out

I don't know what to say to that. But I do know that I can't ask for much. I've asked for too much already.

it's ok pein

come back into the light.
ask for forgiveness, ask him to make you clean

I have to get right with the spirits anyways. And just how I'm going to do that, I'm not quite sure.

just ask for forgiveness

Okay, I confess that I'm kind of messed up. And I confess that I'm a sinner. And I'm trying not to be. Is that good enough?

if you mean it with all your heart then yes.

But why ask me?
am I better then you?
am I better then God?
no, i am the same, i am just a sinner who has found God's grace.

But once you ask for forgiveness do not go back to your old self, instead turn anew into the holy spirit, and let the holy spirit guide you

Okay okay, I guess it's good enough. I meant it. And I'm still a sinner, but I refuse to do anything MAJOR. I just commit mild acts of mayhem.

believe me in trying not to be pushy right now, but if its ok i'd like to explain something in the spoiler
if you don't want to read it, then there is no pressure on you

Spoiler:

Yeah, but I don't wanna leave my rebel streak forever. I'm even ditching that Emo scene thing.

oh, ok, at your own risk though

Yeah, I get sick of being called emo -__-. But the straight edge thing is cool coz that means you're against all drugs and alcohol.

amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

amaterasu wrote:I think the bigger problem that faces us is why people rebel against God?

instead of talking about about our teenage years which we eventually grow out of
we are talking about eternity
it's weird how little we care for ourselves after death
And God knows each of us better then we do ourselves, he wants us to come to him, and has infinite amount of sorrow (more then a human can handle) when someone dies who did not trust Jesus

We can even imagine how sad he is.
Besides i doubt anyone here wants to go to hell. But the truth is there is only one way out of hell which is through Jesus
which most people seem to rebel against

well, you know what they say: don't spend so much time preparing for the next life that you miss out on this one

this whole topice reminds me of a song lyric: "losing the feeling of feeling unique".
just saying

did you know that the next life isn't something you can put off to later?

i agree on you can't just focuse on teh next life, but you can't ignore it
else you'll regret it later, it is best to get teh facts from God and plant yourself in him so you know that when you die you'll reach teh salvation station in the sky, then you focuse on spreading the word

you know, it was all good until "teh salvation"

what can you do, really? I'll believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. All you can really do is be a decent person now, and hopefully whatever's over there will be "teh salvation"

but being a decent person won't get you into heaven.

so, wait, if I go out and murder your entire family, but still believe in God, I'm going to heaven?
please, explain that

It says in the scriptures that if you confess your sins to God, then he will forgive you. He will also remove your sins as far from you as far as the east is from the west (hold out both your arms in opposite directions, and then draw a line to the end of infinity from each hand and at the farthest point, is how far away he will remove them from you)

so if you're in the north, you're screwed?
....just trying to make everybody LIGHTEN UP!

well, I believe in God, and you believe in God, but we have slightly different ways about how we believe. What's wrong with that, Mr. Diverse City?

anyways, I see what you mean, and I know I could never hope to win in a bible-based debate, but i can try. But, amaterasu, don't go judging others based on their beliefs.

i'm not trying to judge people on their beliefs, i don't think oh there's sabaku, i don't like her for she is catholic


i'm just saying the truth, if your a good person, you still can't get to heaven.

well, good. and I had an awesome comeback if you did....well, maybe not awesome, but still

I see that, but you still haven't answered my question

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

sabaku no ketsueki wrote:

amaterasu wrote:I think the bigger problem that faces us is why people rebel against God?

instead of talking about about our teenage years which we eventually grow out of
we are talking about eternity
it's weird how little we care for ourselves after death
And God knows each of us better then we do ourselves, he wants us to come to him, and has infinite amount of sorrow (more then a human can handle) when someone dies who did not trust Jesus

We can even imagine how sad he is.
Besides i doubt anyone here wants to go to hell. But the truth is there is only one way out of hell which is through Jesus
which most people seem to rebel against

well, you know what they say: don't spend so much time preparing for the next life that you miss out on this one

this whole topice reminds me of a song lyric: "losing the feeling of feeling unique".
just saying

did you know that the next life isn't something you can put off to later?

i agree on you can't just focuse on teh next life, but you can't ignore it
else you'll regret it later, it is best to get teh facts from God and plant yourself in him so you know that when you die you'll reach teh salvation station in the sky, then you focuse on spreading the word

you know, it was all good until "teh salvation"

what can you do, really? I'll believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. All you can really do is be a decent person now, and hopefully whatever's over there will be "teh salvation"

but being a decent person won't get you into heaven.

so, wait, if I go out and murder your entire family, but still believe in God, I'm going to heaven?
please, explain that

It says in the scriptures that if you confess your sins to God, then he will forgive you. He will also remove your sins as far from you as far as the east is from the west (hold out both your arms in opposite directions, and then draw a line to the end of infinity from each hand and at the farthest point, is how far away he will remove them from you)

so if you're in the north, you're screwed?
....just trying to make everybody LIGHTEN UP!

well, I believe in God, and you believe in God, but we have slightly different ways about how we believe. What's wrong with that, Mr. Diverse City?

anyways, I see what you mean, and I know I could never hope to win in a bible-based debate, but i can try. But, amaterasu, don't go judging others based on their beliefs.

i'm not trying to judge people on their beliefs, i don't think oh there's sabaku, i don't like her for she is catholic


i'm just saying the truth, if your a good person, you still can't get to heaven.

well, good. and I had an awesome comeback if you did....well, maybe not awesome, but still

I see that, but you still haven't answered my question

ion Hezakayah 16:28 it stats that each person has their own opinion about everything, but there is one truth for everything

I agree with Aichu Mostly

Two disagreements.

A) Our schools do not teach us to be individuals. No they don't. They teach instead for us to think as one group. Or attempt it. Think about it. The Character Counts, or whatever is at your school, where they teach you model citizenry ideals. That's not making me an individual, that's forcing me to believe the same view everyone else has of a model Citizen. Not to mention their obliteration of debate, speech, and all other forms of classes where INDIVIDUALITY and the ability to think on your own and form your own beliefs was swallowed away by the curriculum to make sure we have mandatory foreign language and art classes. In fact, I can't see how forcing me to take art, makes me any more individualistic. What if someone really loves art wants to take that class but I get in first because I am a senior and can't graduate without it? AND let's remember that now the artistic kid in Art 1 wont get the attention he or she may have wanted because the teacher is swamped with others, and they will not be able to develop as easily an artistic style, their own.

I could go into more detail but, geez what a pain? One more note, my school also forces a very low group of school food choices, and a very low variety of class electives and choices outside the mandatory. Neither do I believe promote individualism at all.

B) I think by this point our generation has become a generation of "Rebels" who are actually conforming so they can "Non-Conform". Is everyone different? Yeah. But almost all rebels either are trying to rebel, which just makes them look stupid, and annoys the crap out of everyone, or they are just about as rebellious a sock. And for the real rebels, they can be just way way way to extreme. Some Vegetarian group recently taped people down to the sidewalk naked to show what animals go through, but the organizers left them out there so long, and after lots of complaints from the people involved, they were nearly microwaved and dehydrated to death, to make a point. There was also a story about two military men on a plane last year, and that a man was twitching and acting all fidgety, so they believed he had a gun. The military men looked at the teenagers to help them take this guy out. You know, the guys with all the earrings, the tattoos, and all that ugly clothing. None would go with them. They all looked away and acted like they are not involved. Is that being rebellious? Or stupidly apathetic? Or is the rebellion just a cover to try and hide the truth? That they are just weak.

To be honest, if you are aiming for rebellion to be different, might as well stop. I truely believe I am just as different as the rebel, what with my love for Christian Music and my ability to go off on a rant on Conservative Christian values on a moments notice. In fact, the fact that I don't go along with the hate for President Bush, the funniness of mocking Jesus, and all the other things a lot of "Rebels" believe nowadays ((Such as drugs, Unlimited sex, and harmful abuse to their own body)Note not all of you, but we all know they are out there) that I truely believe I am the stronger rebel, for not giving in to that, baloney.

Figure that out.

for the most part that is true Quater.


But there are some people that are left from teh school groupticism that get lead down teh wrong path since they become spiritually weak. It is something we should stand against in faith in Jesus, meaning to Stick up when someone jokes about his name, or when the teachers say something bad about him, or that he doesn't exist, but also to share the news to these teenagers at our schools

amaterasu wrote:for the most part that is true Quater.


But there are some people that are left from teh school groupticism that get lead down teh wrong path since they become spiritually weak. It is something we should stand against in faith in Jesus, meaning to Stick up when someone jokes about his name, or when the teachers say something bad about him, or that he doesn't exist, but also to share the news to these teenagers at our schools

Um

Don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't understand your post. Like, what you were saying

All I got out of that is some people become spiritually weak and some people make fun of Jesus.

Which, really wasn't near my above two points so I must say I think I am misinterpreting the post, or you veered off of what my post meant?

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:for the most part that is true Quater.


But there are some people that are left from teh school groupticism that get lead down teh wrong path since they become spiritually weak. It is something we should stand against in faith in Jesus, meaning to Stick up when someone jokes about his name, or when the teachers say something bad about him, or that he doesn't exist, but also to share the news to these teenagers at our schools

Um

Don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't understand your post. Like, what you were saying

All I got out of that is some people become spiritually weak and some people make fun of Jesus.

Which, really wasn't near my above two points so I must say I think I am misinterpreting the post, or you veered off of what my post meant?

ah, something like that, use your imagination to draw your own conclusions, thats probably bette rthen me trying to explain

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:for the most part that is true Quater.


But there are some people that are left from teh school groupticism that get lead down teh wrong path since they become spiritually weak. It is something we should stand against in faith in Jesus, meaning to Stick up when someone jokes about his name, or when the teachers say something bad about him, or that he doesn't exist, but also to share the news to these teenagers at our schools

Um

Don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't understand your post. Like, what you were saying

All I got out of that is some people become spiritually weak and some people make fun of Jesus.

Which, really wasn't near my above two points so I must say I think I am misinterpreting the post, or you veered off of what my post meant?

ah, something like that, use your imagination to draw your own conclusions, thats probably bette rthen me trying to explain

Sorry it was just there were to many confusing points.

For the world, I kinda said that. Not spiritually weak, for them just read your Bible more then. But to standing up to Jesus, yeah I said I do that.

However the hard part is when are you standing up for Jesus and when are you standing up for yourself?

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:for the most part that is true Quater.


But there are some people that are left from teh school groupticism that get lead down teh wrong path since they become spiritually weak. It is something we should stand against in faith in Jesus, meaning to Stick up when someone jokes about his name, or when the teachers say something bad about him, or that he doesn't exist, but also to share the news to these teenagers at our schools

Um

Don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't understand your post. Like, what you were saying

All I got out of that is some people become spiritually weak and some people make fun of Jesus.

Which, really wasn't near my above two points so I must say I think I am misinterpreting the post, or you veered off of what my post meant?

ah, something like that, use your imagination to draw your own conclusions, thats probably bette rthen me trying to explain

Sorry it was just there were to many confusing points.

For the world, I kinda said that. Not spiritually weak, for them just read your Bible more then. But to standing up to Jesus, yeah I said I do that.

However the hard part is when are you standing up for Jesus and when are you standing up for yourself?

do i need to stand up for myself?
if i receive punishment for my Lord, then i'm glad for that
for i know he won't let anything happen to without his permission

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:for the most part that is true Quater.


But there are some people that are left from teh school groupticism that get lead down teh wrong path since they become spiritually weak. It is something we should stand against in faith in Jesus, meaning to Stick up when someone jokes about his name, or when the teachers say something bad about him, or that he doesn't exist, but also to share the news to these teenagers at our schools

Um

Don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't understand your post. Like, what you were saying

All I got out of that is some people become spiritually weak and some people make fun of Jesus.

Which, really wasn't near my above two points so I must say I think I am misinterpreting the post, or you veered off of what my post meant?

ah, something like that, use your imagination to draw your own conclusions, thats probably bette rthen me trying to explain

Sorry it was just there were to many confusing points.

For the world, I kinda said that. Not spiritually weak, for them just read your Bible more then. But to standing up to Jesus, yeah I said I do that.

However the hard part is when are you standing up for Jesus and when are you standing up for yourself?

do i need to stand up for myself?
if i receive punishment for my Lord, then i'm glad for that
for i know he won't let anything happen to without his permission

...

Which would explain what I mean.

There is no need to stand up for myself.

Yet if they are attacking God and Jesus when they are attacking me...

Much harder for me to stay Cool on.

Especially when chances are they are completely ignorant on any real religious knowledge.

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:for the most part that is true Quater.


But there are some people that are left from teh school groupticism that get lead down teh wrong path since they become spiritually weak. It is something we should stand against in faith in Jesus, meaning to Stick up when someone jokes about his name, or when the teachers say something bad about him, or that he doesn't exist, but also to share the news to these teenagers at our schools

Um

Don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't understand your post. Like, what you were saying

All I got out of that is some people become spiritually weak and some people make fun of Jesus.

Which, really wasn't near my above two points so I must say I think I am misinterpreting the post, or you veered off of what my post meant?

ah, something like that, use your imagination to draw your own conclusions, thats probably bette rthen me trying to explain

Sorry it was just there were to many confusing points.

For the world, I kinda said that. Not spiritually weak, for them just read your Bible more then. But to standing up to Jesus, yeah I said I do that.

However the hard part is when are you standing up for Jesus and when are you standing up for yourself?

do i need to stand up for myself?
if i receive punishment for my Lord, then i'm glad for that
for i know he won't let anything happen to without his permission

...

Which would explain what I mean.

There is no need to stand up for myself.

Yet if they are attacking God and Jesus when they are attacking me...

Much harder for me to stay Cool on.

Especially when chances are they are completely ignorant on any real religious knowledge.

ah, i see

But God loves them just as much, so if they attack you, use teh sword of God (which is the bible) to fight back

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:for the most part that is true Quater.


But there are some people that are left from teh school groupticism that get lead down teh wrong path since they become spiritually weak. It is something we should stand against in faith in Jesus, meaning to Stick up when someone jokes about his name, or when the teachers say something bad about him, or that he doesn't exist, but also to share the news to these teenagers at our schools

Um

Don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't understand your post. Like, what you were saying

All I got out of that is some people become spiritually weak and some people make fun of Jesus.

Which, really wasn't near my above two points so I must say I think I am misinterpreting the post, or you veered off of what my post meant?

ah, something like that, use your imagination to draw your own conclusions, thats probably bette rthen me trying to explain

Sorry it was just there were to many confusing points.

For the world, I kinda said that. Not spiritually weak, for them just read your Bible more then. But to standing up to Jesus, yeah I said I do that.

However the hard part is when are you standing up for Jesus and when are you standing up for yourself?

do i need to stand up for myself?
if i receive punishment for my Lord, then i'm glad for that
for i know he won't let anything happen to without his permission

...

Which would explain what I mean.

There is no need to stand up for myself.

Yet if they are attacking God and Jesus when they are attacking me...

Much harder for me to stay Cool on.

Especially when chances are they are completely ignorant on any real religious knowledge.

ah, i see

But God loves them just as much, so if they attack you, use teh sword of God (which is the bible) to fight back

Most people feel the Bible is full of "Contradictions" or "Hate Speech"

Thus this approach I have not always found, the most best ^_^

I guess I will just figure it out ^_^

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:for the most part that is true Quater.


But there are some people that are left from teh school groupticism that get lead down teh wrong path since they become spiritually weak. It is something we should stand against in faith in Jesus, meaning to Stick up when someone jokes about his name, or when the teachers say something bad about him, or that he doesn't exist, but also to share the news to these teenagers at our schools

Um

Don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't understand your post. Like, what you were saying

All I got out of that is some people become spiritually weak and some people make fun of Jesus.

Which, really wasn't near my above two points so I must say I think I am misinterpreting the post, or you veered off of what my post meant?

ah, something like that, use your imagination to draw your own conclusions, thats probably bette rthen me trying to explain

Sorry it was just there were to many confusing points.

For the world, I kinda said that. Not spiritually weak, for them just read your Bible more then. But to standing up to Jesus, yeah I said I do that.

However the hard part is when are you standing up for Jesus and when are you standing up for yourself?

do i need to stand up for myself?
if i receive punishment for my Lord, then i'm glad for that
for i know he won't let anything happen to without his permission

...

Which would explain what I mean.

There is no need to stand up for myself.

Yet if they are attacking God and Jesus when they are attacking me...

Much harder for me to stay Cool on.

Especially when chances are they are completely ignorant on any real religious knowledge.

ah, i see

But God loves them just as much, so if they attack you, use teh sword of God (which is the bible) to fight back

Most people feel the Bible is full of "Contradictions" or "Hate Speech"

Thus this approach I have not always found, the most best ^_^

I guess I will just figure it out ^_^

well now i will tell you something that could help

each book of the bible have survived from a range over 2000 years or older (roughly) from condridictions and hate speechs, they have been tested by the worlds best and have come out victorious

adn the scriptures say that even if the earth and heavens pass away my word will not pass away

when you quote the scriptures, evil will not be able to defeat you, and with your shield of faith, you cannot be defeated by the words of the evil one.

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:

quater wrote:

amaterasu wrote:for the most part that is true Quater.


But there are some people that are left from teh school groupticism that get lead down teh wrong path since they become spiritually weak. It is something we should stand against in faith in Jesus, meaning to Stick up when someone jokes about his name, or when the teachers say something bad about him, or that he doesn't exist, but also to share the news to these teenagers at our schools

Um

Don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't understand your post. Like, what you were saying

All I got out of that is some people become spiritually weak and some people make fun of Jesus.

Which, really wasn't near my above two points so I must say I think I am misinterpreting the post, or you veered off of what my post meant?

ah, something like that, use your imagination to draw your own conclusions, thats probably bette rthen me trying to explain

Sorry it was just there were to many confusing points.

For the world, I kinda said that. Not spiritually weak, for them just read your Bible more then. But to standing up to Jesus, yeah I said I do that.

However the hard part is when are you standing up for Jesus and when are you standing up for yourself?

do i need to stand up for myself?
if i receive punishment for my Lord, then i'm glad for that
for i know he won't let anything happen to without his permission

...

Which would explain what I mean.

There is no need to stand up for myself.

Yet if they are attacking God and Jesus when they are attacking me...

Much harder for me to stay Cool on.

Especially when chances are they are completely ignorant on any real religious knowledge.

ah, i see

But God loves them just as much, so if they attack you, use teh sword of God (which is the bible) to fight back

Most people feel the Bible is full of "Contradictions" or "Hate Speech"

Thus this approach I have not always found, the most best ^_^

I guess I will just figure it out ^_^

well now i will tell you something that could help

each book of the bible have survived from a range over 2000 years or older (roughly) from condridictions and hate speechs, they have been tested by the worlds best and have come out victorious

adn the scriptures say that even if the earth and heavens pass away my word will not pass away

when you quote the scriptures, evil will not be able to defeat you, and with your shield of faith, you cannot be defeated by the words of the evil one.

Okay.

^_^

I can't really add to such a true statement.

Usually I just say, bring my 5 contradictions of the Bible, and If I can not explain them to you, I will give in.

I have yet to have someone bring me a True contradiction.