Paradox, Fun head games, Or BS?

Now we all know what a Paradox is, if not, Go look it up. A Paradox has No True answer, If it did, It would no longer be what we call a Paradox. I love them, So why not make a topic about them? Ok This is how its going to work, We put one up, talk about it as much as we can, and then a new one goes up. NO SPAM!

This one Has me lost.

God is all-powerful, or as theologians put it, “omnipotent”; there is nothing that he cannot do. This is part of the definition of “God”.
So can God create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it? Either he can or he can’t.
If God can’t, then he isn’t all-powerful. If God can’t create a stone that he can’t lift, then there is something that he can’t do: create the stone.
If God can create a stone that is so heavy that he can’t lift it, though, then he also isn’t all-powerful. If God can create a stone that is so heavy that he can’t lift it, then there’s something that he can’t do: lift that stone.

So?

i say that in this that there is not such thing as an omnipotent god, because if he creates the stone then he cant lift it, then hi is not omnipotent, either way the thought of a god that is all powerful is false

that's why i am pretty much athiest

i believe there is something out there

but if there is a god, what proof of him is there?

a book?

there's a book about goblins and unicorns and dragons

but they're not real.

so if there IS a god

may he give me a sign he is there

shugo wrote:i say that in this that there is not such thing as an omnipotent god, because if he creates the stone then he cant lift it, then hi is not omnipotent, either way the thought of a god that is all powerful is false

But are gods not seen as All powerful? Are you saying, That we only see them this way? And That if there is a god, That he then Is not as we see him?

Gaara of the Sand wrote:that's why i am pretty much athiest

i believe there is something out there

but if there is a god, what proof of him is there?

a book?

there's a book about goblins and unicorns and dragons

but they're not real.

so if there IS a god

may he give me a sign he is there

thats not the point its not about that the problem is if he exsists he can either lift the stone and make it yet he is told that the stone he makes he cannot lift

Banouin wrote:

shugo wrote:i say that in this that there is not such thing as an omnipotent god, because if he creates the stone then he cant lift it, then hi is not omnipotent, either way the thought of a god that is all powerful is false

But are gods not seen as All powerful? Are you saying, That we only see them this way? And That if there is a god, That he then Is not as we see him?

basically yes if they exsist they would have limitations

shugo wrote:

Banouin wrote:

shugo wrote:i say that in this that there is not such thing as an omnipotent god, because if he creates the stone then he cant lift it, then hi is not omnipotent, either way the thought of a god that is all powerful is false

But are gods not seen as All powerful? Are you saying, That we only see them this way? And That if there is a god, That he then Is not as we see him?

basically yes if they exsist they would have limitations

So, Even if we see them like that, In no way can they be, So a god That can do anything, Is a illusion made by man? Well then, ^_^ Want to go get a new one then shu, Damn you, that was fast.

God is omnipotent.

I have a simple answer for this.

Bano, whenever you need a gigantic stone so heavy God can't lift it, then you may have a problem. Otherwise, I don't see it an issue no?

I mean, this is kind of a waste of time. We need God because he is perfect and to overcome Satan, not to improve our Outrageous Stone Mine quarrying?

Besides.

I think God can make this stone.

And after he makes it, he will say "See ya stone"

Then he will slice this stone into a bazillion easily liftable fragments of the stone, put it in a bucket, and launch it at a cannon towards the outer reaches.

And when people say "You didn't lift it so technically you didn't follow the rules and that didn't count so you are thus not omnipotent"

God will say "How did a lawyer make it to Heaven?"

quater wrote:God is omnipotent.

I have a simple answer for this.

Bano, whenever you need a gigantic stone so heavy God can't lift it, then you may have a problem. Otherwise, I don't see it an issue no?

I mean, this is kind of a waste of time. We need God because he is perfect and to overcome Satan, not to improve our Outrageous Stone Mine quarrying?

Besides.

I think God can make this stone.

And after he makes it, he will say "See ya stone"

Then he will slice this stone into a bazillion easily liftable fragments of the stone, put it in a bucket, and launch it at a cannon towards the outer reaches.

And when people say "You didn't lift it so technically you didn't follow the rules and that didn't count so you are thus not omnipotent"

God will say "How did a lawyer make it to Heaven?"

Haha, I knew Q could come to this :D

quater wrote:God is omnipotent.

I have a simple answer for this.

Bano, whenever you need a gigantic stone so heavy God can't lift it, then you may have a problem. Otherwise, I don't see it an issue no?

I mean, this is kind of a waste of time. We need God because he is perfect and to overcome Satan, not to improve our Outrageous Stone Mine quarrying?

Besides.

I think God can make this stone.

And after he makes it, he will say "See ya stone"

Then he will slice this stone into a bazillion easily liftable fragments of the stone, put it in a bucket, and launch it at a cannon towards the outer reaches.

And when people say "You didn't lift it so technically you didn't follow the rules and that didn't count so you are thus not omnipotent"

God will say "How did a lawyer make it to Heaven?"

This is LC! haha, and Agreed, Q ^.^

The great Greek philosopher Zeno of Elea (born sometime between 495 and 480 B.C.) proposed
four paradoxes in an effort to challenge
the accepted notions of space and time that he encountered in various philosophical circles. His
paradoxes confounded mathematicians for centuries, and it wasn't until Cantor's development (in the 1860's and
1870's) of the
theory of infinite
sets that the paradoxes could be fully resolved.
Zeno's paradoxes focus on the relation of the discrete to the continuous, an issue that is at the
very heart of mathematics. Here we will present the first of his famous four paradoxes.

Zeno's first paradox attacks the notion held by many philosophers of his day that space was
infinitely divisible, and that motion was therefore continuous.
Paradox 1: The Motionless Runner
A runner wants to run a certain distance - let us say 100 meters - in a finite time. But to reach
the 100-meter mark, the runner must first reach the 50-meter mark, and to reach that, the runner
must first run 25 meters. But to do that, he or she must first run 12.5 meters.
Since space is infinitely divisible, we can repeat these 'requirements' forever. Thus the runner
has to reach an infinite number of 'midpoints' in a finite time. This is impossible, so the
runner can never reach his goal. In general, anyone who wants to move from one point to another
must meet these requirements, and so motion is impossible, and what we perceive as motion is
merely an illusion.
Where does the argument break down? Why?

Aww shu, we did this one. Oh well *Sits back and lets the others try*

Banouin wrote:Now we all know what a Paradox is, if not, Go look it up. A Paradox has No True answer, If it did, It would no longer be what we call a Paradox. I love them, So why not make a topic about them? Ok This is how its going to work, We put one up, talk about it as much as we can, and then a new one goes up. NO SPAM!

This one Has me lost.

God is all-powerful, or as theologians put it, “omnipotent”; there is nothing that he cannot do. This is part of the definition of “God”.
So can God create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it? Either he can or he can’t.
If God can’t, then he isn’t all-powerful. If God can’t create a stone that he can’t lift, then there is something that he can’t do: create the stone.
If God can create a stone that is so heavy that he can’t lift it, though, then he also isn’t all-powerful. If God can create a stone that is so heavy that he can’t lift it, then there’s something that he can’t do: lift that stone.

So?

Going along with, he is "omnipotent"

Just going with logic, he couldn't create that stone because you can't transcend perfection

There is nothing he can't lift so he could not make that stone

There is nothing more perfect than perfect, right?

Titan you didn't answer the paradox...You just called rocks Perfect.

quater wrote:Titan you didn't answer the paradox...You just called rocks Perfect.

Not the rocks, I have higher self esteem than that

I mean, if God was perfect, he wouldn't be able to create that stone. Does that make any sense?

Since he is perfect, he can create stones. Remember, he made Earth?

But he could lift Earth.

He could lift the universe.

He could lift anything, right?

1. God is love
2. Love is Blind
3. Ray Charles is Blind

Ray Charles is God.

It's not a paradox but it's a good exercise in discovering where arguments break down.

It just looks like a set of false analogies to me...^_^

To Bano's: First one must ask, wtf would God create a rock he couldn't lift? There is such a thing as an irrelevant questions.

To Shu's: Umm...because...numbers may be infinitly dividable, but space is not...?

To Sado's: Who says all love is blind? Besides, this kind of thing doesn't always work.

6+6 equals 12
12 is a multiple of four
The answer to 6+6 is four...?

A syllogism with accurate facts will always be correct.

However, the problem is, other than Ray Charles being blind there's nothing provable there. God may not be love and love may not be blind.

Are you sure. I think Ray Charles was pulling some legs there. Never trusted the guy.

quater wrote:Are you sure. I think Ray Charles was pulling some legs there. Never trusted the guy.

Q beat me to that one...

i think paradoxes are BS.
who sits around thinking of ways to challenge reality anyhow?

i wish people would just live it without questioning it. It makes life confusing and less desierable. -__-;
for me atleast, in my own opinion.